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Old 12-08-2011, 07:03 PM   #1
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Default Full boils with recipes that call for less?

I'm looking at moving to full boils, but I notice that a lot of extract kits specify a 2.5 gallon boil. If you were to simply do a full boil with these recipes, is the hop balance and bitterness going to be all thrown off?


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Your bitterness will change with larger or smaller boils. I would recommend punching the numbers into beersmith or some similar software to achieve the desired IBUs.
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Indeed. The gravity of your wort during boil will affect the degree to which alpha acids contribute bittering units to your beer. Full boils will lower your boiling gravity and will cause the hops to contribute more bittering units to your wort.
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Interesting, I wasn't sure how significant the difference really was. Given that, are there even enough benefits to full boils to warrant the extra effort?
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Old 12-08-2011, 07:23 PM   #5
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Some extract brewers seem to notice a difference as expressed in this thread:

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f37/worth-do-full-boils-271318/

I think some drawbacks to partial boils are the potential for cross contamination, greater degree of caramelization, and the need to use more hops (though it's really not that much more).

If you do a full boil you will need a more efficient means of cooling your wort too.
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Interesting, I wasn't sure how significant the difference really was. Given that, are there even enough benefits to full boils to warrant the extra effort?
No. There has been some new thought on full boils and hops utilization, and even John Palmer started saying in 2008 that he was wrong in his book "How To Brew" about gravity affecting hops utilization in the boil.

He now says that hops utilization MAY be affected by break material, but not to the extent that most programs (such as Beersmith) say, or that he has said in the past.

Basic Brewing Radio had an experiment recently where they had several brewers brew the same beer as a partial boil and a full boil and kept the hopping the same. There were not perceptible differences.

In my own experience, a low IBU beer done as a full boil IS a little more bitter than the partial boil counterpart. It calculated out as a 15 IBU beer the partial boil way, and calculated at 27 IBUs as a full boil. That's a fairly large difference, and the taste of the beer WAS more bitter. It wasn't too bad, and it mellowed quite a bit in the bottle, to the point it was barely perceptible.

But in a higher IBU beer (APA) done the same two ways, I didn't notice a difference. If there was a difference, it was small. And in the difference between 40 and 48 IBUs, say, the human tongue would be hard-pressed to be able to discern that difference. However, I do prefer the flavor of a late edition extract in a partial boil, OR a full boil, over the "regular" extract methods.

That's a long way of saying, "Heck, leave it alone! The differences are pretty imperceptible."
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that's a long way of saying, "heck, leave it alone! The differences are pretty imperceptible."
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That's a long way of saying, "Heck, leave it alone! The differences are pretty imperceptible."
I do like me some IBUs anyway, so even if it crosses over into the perceptible it should be no issue for me
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I started another thread similar to this one asking about the combination of a late addition with a full boil. I've come to the conclusion that it's an either/or sort of thing since a full boil with late addition would produce an overly hoppy wort since boiling 5.5 gallons with only a 1/3 of the extract would have much higher hop utilization.

Now I just have to decide whether to do a full boil with all of the extract or partial boil with late addition. Thoughts on the superior process anyone?

I also found this thread with this info about adjusting hops:
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f37/if-full-boil-possible-do-89826/

Adjustments for full-volume boils. If your system is designed for a full-volume boil of 5-6 gallons, make the following adjustments to the procedures in the following steps:

* Step #1 - collect 5.5 to 6 gallons of water in the kettle.
* Step #5 - use 15% to 25% less bittering hops (any hop additions during the first 30 minutes of the boil) than called for in the kit inventory - e.g., use 3/4 to 7/8 oz instead of 1 oz; all other boil additions remain the same
* Step #6 - use a wort chiller to cool the wort
* Step #8 - add only enough water to reach 5 gallons


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