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Old 01-18-2009, 10:08 PM   #1
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Default Coopers Kit with DME-Full Boil late addition extract?

I swear I searched! There is a lot of info, but the answer isn't obvious to me yet.

I have a Coopers Real Ale Kit and some LME. 2 oz's of cascade hops.

The "instructions" call for partial boil with all the malt added at the beginning and the hop schedule is 2/3oz at 60, 1/2 oz at 15, and the rest at flameout.

I'd like to do a full boil and am interested in anything that might help improve an all extract kit... and I assume from reading late addition might help???

Any advice??? Do I hod back half the Coopers stuff and half the LME, or should I just add the LME with 15 mins to go???

Should I change the Hop additions if I try a late addition?

Thanks in advance!

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Old 01-18-2009, 10:17 PM   #2
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If you're doing a full boil, I don't think late extract addition will be helpful or necessary. It'd be like doing an AG boil, as far as the SG during the boil, etc. I can't see any reason to add the extract late in that case.

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Ok, I'll carry on!

Thanks!

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If you post the recipe with the hops schedule, etc, I can run it through Beersmith for you to ensure that your hops are ok for the full boil.

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Thanks, that's an awesome offer!

I bought Beersmith, I should try to figure out how to do that for future reference.

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Yeah, lost again!

OK, So I entered the recipe and original boil volume into Beermith and noted the ibu's... I changed the boil volume and noted the change.... should I be trying to adjust additions to meet the IBU/SG that the original recipe was hitting? If I do, it seems I cut the hops addition in half... ???

This was the original recipe figuring a 2 gallon boil the LHBS (as best a noob could pick out kit ingredients in Beersmith)

I want to do a 5 gallon boil... have a 10 gallon pot and a chiller...

3 lbs 12.0 oz Amber Liquid Extract (12.5 SRM) Extract 55.56 % (Coopers Real Ale can)
3 lbs Pale Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM) Extract 44.44 %
0.63 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (60 min) Hops 12.8 IBU
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (15 min) Hops 5.0 IBU
0.87 oz Cascade [0.60 %] (0 min) Hops -

I'm clueless on where to go with the Hops. Do they need to be changed?

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Yeah, lost again!

OK, So I entered the recipe and original boil volume into Beermith and noted the ibu's... I changed the boil volume and noted the change.... should I be trying to adjust additions to meet the IBU/SG that the original recipe was hitting? If I do, it seems I cut the hops addition in half... ???

This was the original recipe figuring a 2 gallon boil the LHBS (as best a noob could pick out kit ingredients in Beersmith)

I want to do a 5 gallon boil... have a 10 gallon pot and a chiller...

3 lbs 12.0 oz Amber Liquid Extract (12.5 SRM) Extract 55.56 % (Coopers Real Ale can)
3 lbs Pale Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM) Extract 44.44 %
0.63 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (60 min) Hops 12.8 IBU
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (15 min) Hops 5.0 IBU
0.87 oz Cascade [0.60 %] (0 min) Hops -

I'm clueless on where to go with the Hops. Do they need to be changed?
Yes- when you adjusted the recipe to the larger boil, you just need to adjust the bittering hops to give you the same IBU. I have to go back to work now, but I can run it later for you, to double check it. Send me a PM to remind me, please!
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Thanks! I'm going to see what I come up with and go with it. I like 'em hoppy so hopefully I can't screw it up!

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Hi,
<-n00b here (so take this input with caution!)
It has been mentioned to me by two different Coopers distributors to avoid boiling the pre-hopped 'kits' (like the aussie pale ale, real ale, etc.)..
In fact:

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Do not boil the malt extract if possible. It is unnecessary and it will darken the beer and caramelize it. Also the bittering in the Lager beer kit will be reduced.
Granted, you aren't doing the 'Lager' but the 'Real Ale'

Another source told me (referring to my Cascading Coopers Pale Ale):
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I’ve seen this recipe before. It does do a good beer. You are correct about not boiling the kit and doing the ice bath is really good.
Well, so where does that leave those of us who are using the 'pre-hopped kits' who are also doing a partial or mini-mash?
1) Ignore the advice?
2) Attempt some abstract hybrid boil?
3) Add extract at flameout?

I am leaning towards including DME/LME in the boil and doing any pre-hopped extract at flameout.
Keep remainder of the recipe (steeping, boil w/hops additions, etc.) the same.

I'm still somewhat on the fence over this. I'd love to hear from others who are veterans using pre-hopped kits!
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Since I'm thinking at this point this is the first/last extract kit I'll be doing, I'm going to follow the instructions the LHBS gave me with the exception of my adjustment to do the full boil.

We'll see. I'm probably contributing to the whole twang issue.

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