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heckler73 02-12-2012 08:26 PM

Cloudy Hefeweizen - let it sit in secondary, or bottle??
 
Hi all, I've been lurking around here since I started brewing in December, and I'm on my 6th batch now, brewing partial boils with extract, fresh hops and grains.

My first Hefeweizen is now in the secondary, and I need to decide if I should wait the full 2 weeks (1-2-3 has been my mantra).

I'd like it to be a cloudy hefe once bottled, and am worried too long in the secondary will let it settle too much and it'll end up clear.

Hefeweisen O.G 1.045-1.050 7.25 lbs wheat Malt Extract, 0.65 lb Wheat malt, 0.65 lb pilsner malt, 0.65 oz Perle whole hops (60 minutes)

Yeast is 3068 Weihenstephan Weizen smackpack

OG was 1.050 and at day 7 was 1.010. I racked it to secondary on day 9, and now on day 12 the FG is still 1.010.

Can I bottle on day 12 to keep some of the cloudiness, or is that asking for trouble? Should I mix up the yeast that's in the bottom of the secondary to bump up the cloudiness?

Thanks!

heckler73 02-12-2012 08:33 PM

One thing I did notice is that day 9 the krausen was still on the surface of the primary when I racked it to secondary. Next time, should I wait till the surface is clear?

jester5120 02-12-2012 08:39 PM

give it 2 weeks at it's fg then bottle. hefeweizens dont need a ton of aging time. They don't really need a secondary either but it's at the brewers discretion. after bottle conditioning (which i assume you're doing) you'll have plenty of yeast in suspension and at the bottom of the bottles that you can swirl up for some haziness

GySgtLynn 02-12-2012 08:40 PM

There is no need to secondary a Hefe... with that said, you don't have to worry about it clearing in the secondary as Hefeweizen yeast don't clear well. I keep most beers in primary for 3 weeks however, with wheat beers I do 10 to 14 days.

heckler73 02-12-2012 08:58 PM

yup, bottle conditioning - 3 weeks at 70 F, which has worked perfectly so far.

the other catch is that my primary bucket is also my bottling bucket, although I have two secondary carboys on the go.

If I let the hefe sit in the carboy and brew my next batch today, it'll be day 21 that I can bottle the hefe, which works OK, but I had read hefe's are quick to be ready to bottle (thus 10-14 days in primary as SgtLynn says). I'd love to be drinking it a week sooner (wouldn't we all).

gtlaw10 02-12-2012 09:04 PM

bottle it now...hefe's aren't supposed to be clear unless it's a krystal version. it'll look semi=clear in the bottle, but a simple swirl of the trub and you're back in hefe normality. it'll be carbonated in around a week and tasty as all hell. keep anything past carbonation stage somewhere cool (~50F) to maintain their freshness.
i'm drinking one of my hefe's that i bottled at day 8 and started drinking a week later - delicious and crisp. enjoy!!

heckler73 02-12-2012 09:31 PM

gtlaw - sold. sanitizing my bottles now.

tastybrew priming calculator says to use 6.6 oz of priming dextrose to get 3.45 CO2 volumes for a Berliner Weisse and 8.1 oz for a Bavarian Weissen. My other beers have all been 4 or 5 oz of dextrose, but were IPAs and pale ales.

Is 1.5X to 2X the priming sugar right for a Hefe?

gtlaw10 02-12-2012 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heckler73 (Post 3777672)
tastybrew priming calculator says to use 6.6 oz of priming dextrose to get 3.45 CO2 volumes for a Berliner Weisse and 8.1 oz for a Bavarian Weissen. My other beers have all been 4 or 5 oz of dextrose, but were IPAs and pale ales.

Is 1.5X to 2X the priming sugar right for a Hefe?

yea i was shocked when i used tastybrew at bottling time!! so i did some searching around the forum and while what tasybrew tells you is stylistically correct - it's also potentially dangerous since 12oz bottles are rated for only 3 volumes of CO2, compound that with the fact that a lot of us homebrew folk use recycled bottles with questionable integrity - it's just not something i was willing to do. people here seemed to suggest that just priming as close to 3 volumes as possible was the safe and logical choice. so i did just that, primed to 3 volumes of CO2. my hefe is quite effervescent and petty close carb-wise to german examples i've had.

jester5120 02-13-2012 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtlaw10 (Post 3777782)
yea i was shocked when i used tastybrew at bottling time!! so i did some searching around the forum and while what tasybrew tells you is stylistically correct - it's also potentially dangerous since 12oz bottles are rated for only 3 volumes of CO2, compound that with the fact that a lot of us homebrew folk use recycled bottles with questionable integrity - it's just not something i was willing to do. people here seemed to suggest that just priming as close to 3 volumes as possible was the safe and logical choice. so i did just that, primed to 3 volumes of CO2. my hefe is quite effervescent and petty close carb-wise to german examples i've had.


yeah i'd only carb that to about 2.8 myself. I've seen some of those ones that get bottled at 4-5volumes and they have to be in a thicker bottle. usually something like a swingtop or wine bottle.

JoeyChopps 02-13-2012 02:07 AM

+1 last months byo had a recipe for a heffe and I tried it out and they said carb 2.5 to 3 and I went with 2.75 and it turned out perfect


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