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Old 11-22-2012, 08:55 PM   #11
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For EXTRACT brewing, there is no DMS, it has been taken care of during the making of the extract. Same goes for hot break, that happens when the extract is manufactured...this stuff has already been boiled and made into finished wort, it's just dehydrated.

Your only issue with no boiling is hop IBU's, pasteurization temps cover any sanitation issues.



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Old 11-23-2012, 12:58 AM   #12
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For EXTRACT brewing, there is no DMS, it has been taken care of during the making of the extract. Same goes for hot break, that happens when the extract is manufactured...this stuff has already been boiled and made into finished wort, it's just dehydrated.

Your only issue with no boiling is hop IBU's, pasteurization temps cover any sanitation issues.
Good point. I guess the wort has been boiled off already to get to the high gravity for the extract. That would mean DMS is already taken care of.

However, i don't think i noticed this was extract when i wrote that


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Old 11-23-2012, 04:33 AM   #13
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Good point. I guess the wort has been boiled off already to get to the high gravity for the extract. That would mean DMS is already taken care of.

However, i don't think i noticed this was extract when i wrote that
Then it is safe to say you were also unaware that this is the EXTRACT BREWING forum
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:23 AM   #14
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In my first kit I just used boiling water with hops and to swill out the can of malt extract,

And as I was bottling it tasted fine if flat at that point.
I still have to try the finished beer but every where else I read you should boil for a long time in your water.
Mine was a kit so may not produce a great finished beer but with the next brew I think I will be boiling with the water even if only for a short time. To make sure I get a good mix , and will be putting hops in it to help

But I am also very new to this hence the kit to start. But my wife had a small taste and thought it was not to bad so I am going to have a bit of a play next time and just do 2 x 1 gallon Demijohns but do them differently 2 types of hops.

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Old 11-23-2012, 03:11 PM   #15
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Then it is safe to say you were also unaware that this is the EXTRACT BREWING forum
Yes, you are correct. I just went to the unanswered thread section and saw this. Didn't look at the particular forum.

However, that likely wouldn't have made a difference since I hadn't thought of DMS with extract before (as i said in the post)

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so in theory could you double the amount of hops to make up for short time at that temp?

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Old 11-27-2012, 04:49 PM   #17
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so in theory could you double the amount of hops to make up for short time at that temp?
It would take a lot more trial and error to figure out exactly how many IBU's are extracted at 170F vs 212F and you are still going to need to keep the hops in for an hour to extract the Alpha Acids. It is easier to maintain temp at boil than it is to maintain at 170F.
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It would take a lot more trial and error to figure out exactly how many IBU's are extracted at 170F vs 212F and you are still going to need to keep the hops in for an hour to extract the Alpha Acids. It is easier to maintain temp at boil than it is to maintain at 170F.



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Old 11-27-2012, 06:37 PM   #19
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I'm confused as to why the OP doesn't want to boil? Is this one of those "is it theoretically possible to..." questions or does the OP have some sort of constraint which doesn't allow for boiling? If it is the former, sure it's possible. If it's the latter, figure out a way to boil. It is one of the fundamental steps in brewing. It wouldn't be listed in every reference if it wasn't important.

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You can do much shorter boils by doing something called hop bursting.



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