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Old 11-05-2012, 06:05 PM   #1
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Hi guys,

I have my recipe ready (taking bits of recipes from here and substituting what I cannot get in Ireland). I have my order of ingredients and equipment almost ready but I still have a few questions:
1) I am ordering from HomeBrewCompany.ie and they sell "sprayed dry extract", is this simply dry extract and can I apply the quantities I have seen in recipes or is there a difference? (I assume this is the same but...)
2) I can not boil using my stove since it will never been powerful enough for several gallons so I was planing to use a plastic bucket with a boiler in it. I have been told that this would be a bad idea if I decide to use liquid extract since it would be a nightmare to clean. Is it really that bad or are there ways to boil the wort with liquid extract without having to scrub or throw away the heating piece?
3) Is there any place where I can find an equivalence of quantities between dry extract and liquid extract? ie: If a recipe says 8lbs of dry extract, what would be the quantity if I replace it with liquid extract? (No LHBS here and very limited availability of most ingredients)
4) I plan to start with an IPA, I like the citrus taste of IPAs but I dislike the grapefruit bitter taste (my favourite one would be the Punk IPA from Brewdog). Is a summit a proper substitute for the very rare Amarillo?

More questions later but these are the most important for now.

Thanks,

Sam

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Old 11-05-2012, 06:41 PM   #2
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Spray dry extract is DME (actuallt LME that has been spray dried to make DME )

DME points-per-pound-per-gallon = ~44 (so 1lb in 1 gallon = 1.044SG)
LME points-per-pound-per-gallon = ~37

Amarillo substitutes are Cascade, Centennial, and Simcoe. The Cascade does have grapefruir character though.

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Old 11-05-2012, 06:46 PM   #3
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  1. Spray Malt is Dried Malt Extract (DME)
  2. Fermentation buckets are made of High-density polyethylene, which is capable of 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Because boiling temperature is 212 degrees Fahrenheit, obviously that wouldn’t work. If you can't boil on a stove top, use a CLEAN turkey fryer.
  3. 2lbs of Liquid Malt Extract (LME) is considered equivilant to 1.6lbs of Dried Malt Extract (DME)
  4. Cascade, Centennial and Summit are often used as substitutes for Amarillo. Cascade has a pronounced grapefruit citrus aroma and flavor, the others do not.
Simcoe also makes for a great IPA hop and produces citrus and pine flavors.
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While I don't think I would do it myself, many people have had success boiling in HDPE buckets. Not sure where you got the 120 number from but it can take boiling temps.

EDIT: Actually I think the 120 you are thinking of is 120 C.

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Thanks a lot.
For the bucket, I was planning to use a bucket/boiler like this:
http://www.thehomebrewcompany.ie/33l...ner-p-576.html
I know a friend who uses it for All-Grain, are temperatures higher with extracts?
Good to know that Summit is an option, the other ones mentioned are out of stock at the moment

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So if the bucket/boiler is ok temperature wise, will it be a nightmare to clean if I am using LME? What about DME?

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Ahtanum is a more direct sub for amarillo. & I really don't think a food grade plastic bucket will take boil temp. Just use a SS stock pot of 4-5 gallons to do a partial boil of 2.5-3 gallons on the stove & top off with fridge cooled water. I even do that with partial mash.
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[LIST=1][*]Fermentation buckets are made of High-density polyethylene, which is capable of 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Because boiling temperature is 212 degrees Fahrenheit, obviously that wouldn’t work. If you can't boil on a stove top, use a CLEAN turkey fryer.
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Huh. Learn somethin new everyday. Thanks for posting the numbers for clarity's sake.
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So if the bucket/boiler is ok temperature wise, will it be a nightmare to clean if I am using LME? What about DME?
I don't know why it would be any worse to clean up after LME then DME. Whatever you use, make sure you get the extract well dissolved and you shouldn't have any problems. You should probably turn the heating element off while you dissolve the extract to avoid possible scorching.
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