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**Brulosopher** · 10-07-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ReverendBrett

AG is the difference. Extract usually runs about $4/pound, bulk is $3. At 6lbs per brew about, that's $6 bucks saved per batch.

Ah, very nice! Haven't brewed extract since 2002, and back then it was quite expensive.

Calder · 10-07-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cheezydemon3

Not saying that there is anything wrong with using dark dme or the like, but when I can mash:

1 lb chocolate malt
12 oz black patent
8 oz roasted
12 oz crystal 80L

Stovetop mashing of specialty grains is too easy not to try and requires very little equipment.

You can't mash those grains without a base malt. You can only steep them. They all have lots of starch, which can be converted to sugars if you do a proper mash.

I like the convenience of stove-top brewing. I mostly do partial mashes (5 to 7 lbs of grain), and think it a great compromise, allowing me to get the flavors from a variety of grains, and adjust the fermentability of the wort.

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Originally Posted by cheezydemon3

perhaps it should be said that I have an LHBS that is fantastic and crushes grain for free. I aknowledge that not everyone may have access to that

My LHBS has a mill that I can use (no cost), but I prefer to buy grains un-crushed. That way I can keep different types and create recipes without having to get the grains from the LHBS every time/week.

**Brulosopher** · 10-07-2012, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Calder

You can't mash those grains without a base malt. You can only steep them. They all have lots of starch, which can be converted to sugars if you do a proper mash.

Huh? Call it what you want, those malts all have little to no diastatic power.

**cheezydemon3** · 10-07-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Calder

You can't mash those grains without a base malt. You can only steep them. They all have lots of starch, which can be converted to sugars if you do a proper mash.

I like the convenience of stove-top brewing. I mostly do partial mashes (5 to 7 lbs of grain), and think it a great compromise, allowing me to get the flavors from a variety of grains, and adjust the fermentability of the wort.

My LHBS has a mill that I can use (no cost), but I prefer to buy grains un-crushed. That way I can keep different types and create recipes without having to get the grains from the LHBS every time/week.

im actually a master just tonight but I did do it with 2 pounds of Touro so I don't know thats conscious or whether you're right

**.... using the mic that was too funny to delete I apologize hope you see the humor....**

I actually mashed that recipe tonight but with 2 pounds of 2 row grains. don't know whether I knew what you were talking about or whether I just did it to use the base grains for the pH...... still use some sodium bicarbonate for the pH.

Calder · 10-07-2012, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brulosopher

Huh? Call it what you want, those malts all have little to no diastatic power.

???? Not sure what you are trying to say. The OP said he mashed the grains. I said he needed a base malt to mash them. Then you respond to my post saying you can't mash them.

**Brulosopher** · 10-07-2012, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Calder

???? Not sure what you are trying to say. The OP said he mashed the grains. I said he needed a base malt to mash them. Then you respond to my post saying you can't mash them.

I didn't say you can't mash them, I said they have little to no diastatic power, so it doesn't really matter if you mash them. That's all. No offense intended

Calder · 10-07-2012, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cheezydemon3

I actually mashed that recipe tonight but with 2 pounds of 2 row grains. don't know whether I knew what you were talking about or whether I just did it to use the base grains for the pH...... still use some sodium bicarbonate for the pH.

2-row is a base malt. I guess you mashed them. Sorry, your original post didn't say anything about using a base type malt.

Calder · 10-07-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brulosopher

I didn't say you can't mash them, I said they have little to no diastatic power, so it doesn't really matter if you mash them. That's all. No offense intended

But it does make a difference. If you just steep them, you will get only a little sugar contributing to the OG. But if you mash them, you can get a lot more. With Crystal you can double the sugars from it by mashing. With more roasted malts (choc, black, etc) you can get 3X or more sugar from it. They all contain starches that can be converted to sugars, just like any other grain.

**Brulosopher** · 10-08-2012, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Calder

But it does make a difference. If you just steep them, you will get only a little sugar contributing to the OG. But if you mash them, you can get a lot more. With Crystal you can double the sugars from it by mashing. With more roasted malts (choc, black, etc) you can get 3X or more sugar from it. They all contain starches that can be converted to sugars, just like any other grain.

Sugars that can be fermented? Hmm, I'll claim ignorance on this one, as I've always operated under other premises. I smell an experiment in my future!

**cheezydemon3** · 10-08-2012, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Calder

2-row is a base malt. I guess you mashed them. Sorry, your original post didn't say anything about using a base type malt.

no need to be sorry. I failed to mention that.