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Old 05-22-2012, 05:49 AM   #1
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I Have recently come to know a guy that has been home brewing for 40 years now. This guy is a wealth of knowledge and really produces some great beers. I have had the blessing to go learn about the all grain process from him and even help with a brew session.

Today I brought him one of my brews. It was the Northern Brewer Honey Kolsch extract kit. He gave me the best compliment I have ever received on my beers. He said I nailed it and made a really great beer. Coming from a beer guy that's been home brewing since before lots of us were even born. I am beyond stoked.

I don't write this to brag, but just to say, like many people on here have said before, you can make some frigin excellent beers with extract when you have your process down. To anyone else out there that is extract brewing, keep learning, keep tweaking, keep making the best dang beer you can make! Don't let extract be your excuse.

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Old 05-22-2012, 06:29 AM   #2
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Nobodies extract hating. I make starters with it all the time.

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Old 05-22-2012, 07:15 AM   #3
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I have been brewing about eight years now, the last five all-grain. I made great beers with both methods, some are better the extract version, while others are all-grain. For me, the switch to all-grain came from my cooking background. I love all of the ways I can tweak a batch of brew. It's like having a receiver with twenty different control knobs. I do both, cause some days an all-grain batch will literally take all afternoon, into evening.

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Old 05-22-2012, 02:08 PM   #4
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After a year of extract brewing I am looking to make the jump to all grain.

Extract brewing is awesome and does not take up that much time but I feel like the next step to become a great brewer is all grain.

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I'd love to do some extract brewing for when I'm pressed for time.

And then I price it out...

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Old 05-22-2012, 02:18 PM   #6
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Congrats on the great beer!

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i'd love to do some extract brewing for when i'm pressed for time.

and then i price it out...
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To the OP:

If you had the equipment (i.e., mash tun) and space and extra time to brew all-grain, would you?

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I'd love to do some extract brewing for when I'm pressed for time.

And then I price it out...
Yeah, that's one of the biggest upsides of AG.... way cheaper. And let's face it, not hating here, I still brew a lot of extract beers, but extracts usually leave a taste and a feel that you can't fully eliminate. I've seen exceptions to this, but they're exceptions not the norm. My biggest beef w/extract brews is the under attenuation, even if the beer turns out great, and under attenuated brew almost always kills it for me.
Don't get me wrong, I still brew extract batches about once a month. And I have no problem drinking extract beers. But let's be real, first and foremost, extract is significantly more expensive per batch, even more so when compared to the cost of bulk grains. And with extract you're seldom going to see a beer attenuate below ~1.018, regardless of recipe and process, which doesn't suit many styles of beer (ex: and 'IPA' with and FG of 1.02 isn't technically an IPA... really, it isn't.).
Then there's the hobbyists point of view. IMO, an extract brew is like a box of mac 'n' cheese; it's easy, quick and it gets the job done. An AG brew is more like a well put together meal; it takes a lot of time, but the end result is far more satisfying (both in taste and because of the time/effort invested in it).
Sorry if that comes across douche-y, and I'm not 'hating' extracts, I have and still regularly make great beer using all three methods (extract, PM and AG). I'm just sayin', when ya weigh all the pros and cons (cost, ease, enjoyment, quality, etc.) of extract vs. AG, I'd have to say the benefits of AG beer outweigh those of extract beer, IMO.
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. . . I'm just sayin', when ya weigh all the pros and cons (cost, ease, enjoyment, quality, etc.) of extract vs. AG, I'd have to say the benefits of AG beer outweigh those of extract beer, IMO.
You really should have replaced the "in my opinion" with "for me". What you are saying is true for me (I brew all-grain, sometimes adding DME for bigger beers), but there are many for whom it isn't.

Some examples:

1) the brewer for whom money isn't an issue, but time is
2) the brewer with a new baby who must brew at 10 pm at night
3) the many, many brewers who live in Manhattan or Chicago or some other metropolitan area where space is an issue and all the brewing equipment must go fit in the kitchen cabinets
4) the brewer who likes to brew twice a year and doesn't want to invest the time necessary to learn all-grain brewing, let alone acquire and make the equipment


There are many brewers for whom your statement that the "benefits of all-grain beer outweight those of extract beer" is just wrong.
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