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Old 10-30-2006, 06:11 PM   #11
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Hops utilization is way better into thinner liquids. So if you boil hops in water only you will get more of the oils out of the hops than you would by boiling in water with malt extract dissolved into it.

Less bonding sites left when the malt extract is there to bond to the water.

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Old 10-30-2006, 06:33 PM   #12
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Some say that if you boil just the hops in water, you can get "grassy" flavors. It has been suggested that you add about a third of your extract with the hops for the full 60 minutes, then add the rest during the last 15 minutes. I don't know if this is true or not.
This is how I did my Burning River clone and WOW it came out hoppy...as it should be.

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Old 10-30-2006, 06:45 PM   #13
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I've only had grassy flavors from dry hopping. Boiling hops in water for 30 minutes will give you about the utilization that 60 minutes in a 1.050 wort would. If I'm doing an extract and I'm in a hurry, I'll put the specialty grains in one pot @ 170F, bring 2 gallons of water to a boil & add the bittering hops @ 30 min. At 10 minutes add the wort from the grains, the extract and the aroma hops. I've done a few batches this way and it works fine.

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Old 10-30-2006, 07:21 PM   #14
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Am I getting confused with "hoppy" and "bitter" ??
Sooooooo, what if you steeped the grains, brought up to boil and toss in the bittering hops for 30 minutes. Then flame out, stir in the LME or DME and save the flavoring hops for dry hopping in the secondary for one week? BIG changes or not really?

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Old 10-30-2006, 07:31 PM   #15
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Am I getting confused with "hoppy" and "bitter" ??
Sooooooo, what if you steeped the grains, brought up to boil and toss in the bittering hops for 30 minutes. Then flame out, stir in the LME or DME and save the flavoring hops for dry hopping in the secondary for one week? BIG changes or not really?
Sorry, I should have said my Burning River came out hoppy and bitter...as it should be. I need to remind myself that there is a difference.

As for your question, I'll have to let someone more experienced than me answer. I think you still get some bitterness from the flavoring hops but mostly flavor. I also think dry hopping gives you mostly aroma and some perceived flavor.
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Old 10-30-2006, 08:07 PM   #16
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add extract 15 mins before flame-out. it needs time to sanitize.

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But don't they come already sterilized?

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Old 10-30-2006, 08:31 PM   #18
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LME in the can is should be sterilized but if you get it measured off in a bucket it won't be sterile.

Also, you will get very little or no taste from dry hopping, you mostly get aroma from dry hopping.

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Old 10-30-2006, 08:51 PM   #19
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Some say that if you boil just the hops in water, you can get "grassy" flavors. It has been suggested that you add about a third of your extract with the hops for the full 60 minutes, then add the rest during the last 15 minutes. I don't know if this is true or not.
This is how I did my Burning River clone and WOW it came out hoppy...as it should be.
I boiled hops in water before and the house smelled like we've been smoking weed all day...I'm just glad the cops never came by.
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I boiled hops in water before and the house smelled like we've been smoking weed all day...I'm just glad the cops never came by.
Yikes! I'll remember that.
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