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Old 04-08-2008, 05:48 PM   #1
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ok so ive done a few different brews and have decided which i like , am now looking to add extra hops to some , wondered what kind of quantities would be approprate ,
i know this is a matter of taste but would like a place to start the scale as ive never used hops before , will probobly use the coopers pilsner and add saaz hops , and maybe try coopers pale ale with some cascade (trying to get something like tasmanian pale ale "cascade")
any advice on boil time and quantity would be much appreciated
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Well, with pre-hopped extract kits it's hard to figure out what to do, to my knowledge, most brewing software doesn't list the ibu's of pre-hopped extracts, so you can't really look at the numbers. And I'm not sure, but are the IBU's of the kits listed in their instructions?

Your best bet would be to use your additional hops as flavor and aroma additions, rather than for added bitterness, which if you can't calculate could really make for some bitter brews.

To figure out WHAT type to use, look at recipes on here of the type of kit beer you are brewing, and follow their aroma/flavor additions and times.

By adding fresh hops, you will really improve the quality of the kits.

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cheers revvy
the ibus are listed on the coopers website , which ive found usefull
im after adding to the flavour and arome as you say , im not really into bitter but like the flavour of the hops
im assuming you let it simmer for 15 hour as in the ag methods ?
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cheers revvy
the ibus are listed on the coopers website , which ive found usefull
im after adding to the flavour and arome as you say , im not really into bitter but like the flavour of the hops
im assuming you let it simmer for 15 hour as in the ag methods ?
thanks again
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you mean 15 minutes, right?

Generally there is an addition in the final 15 minutes, and another addition in the last five minutes or right at flameout. Sometimes there is an addition 2 the 30 minute mark as well. It really depends on the recipe...or the recipe that you're chosing to because it is similiar to the cooper's kit.

But don't look at the AG recipes, look for an extract or extract with grain recipe, that uses approximately the same amount of liguid malt extract as your cooper's kit....That way you'll be pretty close to the right amount of hops.

I believe coopers kits use 1 or 2- 3.3pound cans of extract, so you'll be looking for recipe that use 3-4 pounds of lme for each can of extract you are using.
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Old 04-09-2008, 11:38 AM   #5
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Lol Oops Yeh I Meant Minutes
Most Of The Coopers Kits Just Use Dry Malt , But The Sparkling Ale Calls For 1.5lme And 500g Dme Plus A Bit Of Sugar . I Actually Made This Kit At The Weekend And Found The Og Really High , Am Hoping Its Not Gonna Be As Strong As It Could Be , With Any Luck The Fg Will Be High , Dont Fancy Getting Drunk On Two Pints !
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I think the Coopers Sparkling ale theat they brew actually has a high ABV. I have made a whole bunch of coppers kits over the past year but I have yet to see the sparkling ale avaliable in my LHBS. I'll have to ask them if they plan on getting any in

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too right , according to the hydometer is has a strong potential , ive added an extra gallon of water to soften the blow somewhat
will let ya know what it turns out like , but what with the extra cost of the lme i probobly wont be doing this one again
think ill do another aus pale ale and put a few quid on some extra hops for flavour and aroma
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also take a look at dry hopping - adding hops to the secondary for a few days before bottling - that can make a big contribution to flavour and aroma in the final beer.

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only just found out about dry hopping , cheers
have just been playing with the beer smith software after reading this thread http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=61975 , noticed the recipe he suggests creates a ibu of 54 ish . the ibus given on the coopers site are in excess of 300 for ales and lagers , is this on the same scale or are they adding a zero ? if so that would be a sixty minute boil of about 13 oz of galena ! gonna cost a fortune
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only just found out about dry hopping , cheers
have just been playing with the beer smith software after reading this thread http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=61975 , noticed the recipe he suggests creates a ibu of 54 ish . the ibus given on the coopers site are in excess of 300 for ales and lagers , is this on the same scale or are they adding a zero ? if so that would be a sixty minute boil of about 13 oz of galena ! gonna cost a fortune
will read more of you guys recipes and try and get a handle on this
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They actually say 300? THat has to be a misprint....300 IBUs would make your teeth shatter. Bell's Hopslam Ale is only 106 IBUs. Southern Tier's Unearthly Imperial IPA registers at 153 IBU's and Dogfish Head's 120 Minute IPA clocks in at 120 IBU's.

Most of my ales are in the 40-60 range. My Old Bog Road Brown Ale is 47.6 IBU's, My ginger orange dortmunder is 44.9, and my "Yooper's Dead Guy Clone" is 39.1....

FYI here's a list of the hoppiest beers.

http://www.beertutor.com/beers/index.php?t=highest_ibu

I really can't imagine what this tasted like;



Yep, that's right a theoretical IBU of 2007

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Served on tap at Copenhagen Beerfestival 2007.

Crazy beer...insane stuff. This little Pale Ale is brewed with a huge amount of bittering hops with a theoretical IBU of 2007...

Pours out in a very hazy amber colour with a low white foam. Big and sweet hoppy aroma of flowers, oranges, pine-needles and pepper. The flavour...uhm...is just a wacky, trashing and burning hop fest of grass and pine-needles. Same thing in the finish; a pure hop-slam buzz. I'm not sure that I would drink I lot of this hop-juice but if I would stumble over it again, but...hops is the drug!

Serving type: on-tap
This would make my head explode!

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