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Old 01-09-2011, 01:41 AM   #1
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So, here's my IPA recipe:


Paint Stripper - American IPA
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Batch Size: 5.500 gal
Boil Size: 7.100 gal
Boil Time: 1.000 hr
Efficiency: 90%
OG: 1.074
FG: 1.019
ABV: 7.1%
Bitterness: 101.4 IBUs (Tinseth)
Color: 8 SRM (Morey)

Fermentables
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Name Type Amount Mashed Late Yield Color
Pale Malt (2 Row) US Grain 10.000 lb Yes No 79% 2 L
Caramunich Malt Grain 8.000 oz Yes No 72% 56 L
Munich Malt Grain 2.000 lb Yes No 80% 9 L
Total grain: 12.500 lb

Hops
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Name Alpha Amount Use Time Form IBU
Galena 14.7% 1.000 oz First Wort 1.500 hr Pellet 26.5
Cluster 8.7% 2.000 oz Boil 1.000 hr Pellet 47.1
Amarillo 11.1% 0.250 oz Boil 30.000 min Pellet 5.8
Amarillo 11.1% 0.250 oz Boil 25.000 min Pellet 5.2
Amarillo 11.1% 0.250 oz Boil 20.000 min Pellet 4.5
Amarillo 11.1% 0.250 oz Boil 15.000 min Pellet 3.7
Amarillo 11.1% 0.250 oz Boil 10.000 min Pellet 2.7
Amarillo 11.1% 0.250 oz Boil 5.000 min Pellet 1.5
Amarillo 11.1% 0.500 oz Aroma 1.000 hr Pellet 0.0
Sorachi Ace 11.2% 0.250 oz Boil 10.000 min Pellet 2.7
Sorachi Ace 11.2% 0.250 oz Boil 5.000 min Pellet 1.5
Sorachi Ace 11.2% 0.500 oz Aroma 1.000 hr Pellet 0.0

Misc
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Name Type Use Amount Time
Whirlfloc Fining Boil 1.000 tsp 0.000 s
Yeast Nutrient Other Primary 1.000 tsp 0.000 s
pH 5.2 Stabilizer Water Agent Mash 2.029 tsp 0.000 s

Yeast
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Name Type Form Amount Stage
Wyeast - American Ale II Ale Liquid 0.528 cup Primary



I want to make this into a sessionable IPA at around 3.5% ABV. I basically want to make an IPA that I can take with me to a gathering and still be able to drive home, but I want it to taste like the one I drink when I'm not driving. Here's what I've come up with:


Paint Stripper Jr. - American IPA
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Batch Size: 5.500 gal
Boil Size: 7.100 gal
Boil Time: 1.000 hr
Efficiency: 90%
OG: 1.044
FG: 1.012
ABV: 4.3%
Bitterness: 91.5 IBUs (Tinseth)
Color: 7 SRM (Morey)

Fermentables
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Name Type Amount Mashed Late Yield Color
Pale Malt (2 Row) US Grain 4.500 lb Yes No 79% 2 L
Cara-Pils/Dextrine Grain 8.000 oz Yes No 72% 2 L
Munich Malt Grain 2.000 lb Yes No 80% 9 L
Caramunich Malt Grain 8.000 oz Yes No 72% 56 L
Total grain: 7.500 lb

Hops
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Name Alpha Amount Use Time Form IBU
Galena 14.7% 1.000 oz First Wort 1.500 hr Pellet 33.7
Cluster 8.7% 0.750 oz Boil 1.000 hr Pellet 22.5
Amarillo 11.1% 0.250 oz Boil 30.000 min Pellet 7.3
Amarillo 11.1% 0.250 oz Boil 25.000 min Pellet 6.6
Amarillo 11.1% 0.250 oz Boil 20.000 min Pellet 5.8
Amarillo 11.1% 0.250 oz Boil 15.000 min Pellet 4.7
Amarillo 11.1% 0.250 oz Boil 10.000 min Pellet 3.5
Amarillo 11.1% 0.250 oz Boil 5.000 min Pellet 1.9
Amarillo 11.1% 0.500 oz Aroma 1.000 hr Pellet 0.0
Sorachi Ace 11.2% 0.250 oz Boil 10.000 min Pellet 3.5
Sorachi Ace 11.2% 0.250 oz Boil 5.000 min Pellet 1.9
Sorachi Ace 11.2% 0.500 oz Aroma 1.000 hr Pellet 0.0

Misc
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Name Type Use Amount Time
pH 5.2 Stabilizer Water Agent Mash 2.029 tsp 0.000 s
Yeast Nutrient Other Primary 1.000 tsp 0.000 s
Whirlfloc Fining Boil 1.000 tsp 0.000 s

Yeast
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Name Type Form Amount Stage
Wyeast - American Ale II Ale Liquid 0.528 cup Primary




I would usually mash at 150, so I'm thinking that mashing at 158, plus the addition of the 1/2lb of carapils will keep the body and sweetness to balance the hops. Also, I adjusted the cluster hops down because of the higher utilization in the lower gravity wort. I left the rest of the hops alone, since I wanted to preserve the flavor and aroma. Does this all make sense to everyone? Has anyone ever tried to "clone" their own recipe with a lower ABV?

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Has anyone ever tried to "clone" their own recipe with a lower ABV?
I've been working on that for several years! So far, I've got a pretty good "clone" that comes in at 4.25% instead of nearly 8%. It's not exactly the same, of course, but it's pretty good. I just keep lowering the base malt until it was enough, and lowered the bittering hops to get the same IBUs and left the flavor/aroma hops the same. I don't use crystal or other malts in my IPAs usually, so it's just 5% aromatic malt (or amber malt) and 95% two-row.
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Havent done this yet, but your logic seems sound. As long as you keep the FG at 1.012 or higher, i think the transition will be good.

I really want to do this myself and am really curious how this turns out.

Please keep us up to date.

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Thanks for the advice Yooper. Did you up the mash temp to keep it from drying out? I'm just worried that at around 100 IBU it'll dry out too much and miss the balance.

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I've been working on that for several years! So far, I've got a pretty good "clone" that comes in at 4.25% instead of nearly 8%. It's not exactly the same, of course, but it's pretty good. I just keep lowering the base malt until it was enough, and lowered the bittering hops to get the same IBUs and left the flavor/aroma hops the same. I don't use crystal or other malts in my IPAs usually, so it's just 5% aromatic malt (or amber malt) and 95% two-row.
Interesting, are you saying that you dont want the crystal in the low ABV brew because of its low ABV? Or are you saying that you just don't like them in all of your IPAs?
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Havent done this yet, but your logic seems sound. As long as you keep the FG at 1.012 or higher, i think the transition will be good.

I really want to do this myself and am really curious how this turns out.

Please keep us up to date.
Well, I've got all the ingredients and two empty buckets, so If all goes well I'm going to do a double brew day tomorrow, making one of each batch. Hopefully I'll have some side by side results in a few weeks. I'm a bit nervous about the pound of crystal malts and 158 mash. I might back that down to 156, not really sure yet.
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We had a fair amount of discussion about it here

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/session-ipas-lets-hear-183421/

not sure if you saw that thread or posted in it....

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Well, I've got all the ingredients and two empty buckets, so If all goes well I'm going to do a double brew day tomorrow, making one of each batch. Hopefully I'll have some side by side results in a few weeks. I'm a bit nervous about the pound of crystal malts and 158 mash. I might back that down to 156, not really sure yet.
Partigyle or separate grains?
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AZ_IPA - thanks for the link, I somehow missed that one when I searched. I'll read through it.

Haputanlas - I'm doing it with separate grains. A partigyle would put the big beer too big for me... Just not a fan of the IIPAs.

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Interesting, are you saying that you dont want the crystal in the low ABV brew because of its low ABV? Or are you saying that you just don't like them in all of your IPAs?
I just don't like them in IPAs. IPAs should be dry and drinkable, and I don't like crystal in them. I can't say never- I have two IPA recipes that use small amounts of crystal. But for my everyday drinker, I don't use it.
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