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Old 10-10-2012, 04:17 PM   #61
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How hard is it to pick up a 5 dollar ice chest second hand and build a braid?

I've done both, I'll spend the extra 10 dollars and one hour of time to build it.
I've asked earlier, and I'll ask here again: If you want to do traditional all-grain, don't you need three vessels? I.E., don't you need a vessel for sparge water, your mash tun, AND a kettle for the boil?

I'm asking because I'm curious (I'd like to try traditional AG), but also I want to understand the comparative simplicity.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:43 PM   #62
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Tell me about it. Those a hole BIABers and their stupid 2 cents. They don't know anything. Just a bunch of cheap, lazy, beginners, practicing for "real" brewing. They should save their dumb ass opinions for some sort of forum dedicated to homwbrewing.

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Old 10-10-2012, 04:48 PM   #63
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I've asked earlier, and I'll ask here again: If you want to do traditional all-grain, don't you need three vessels? I.E., don't you need a vessel for sparge water, your mash tun, AND a kettle for the boil?

I'm asking because I'm curious (I'd like to try traditional AG), but also I want to understand the comparative simplicity.

You dont need three vessels it makes it easier though.

I have one 10 gallon kettle and a cooler MLT.

I use a large pasta pot for my sparge water additions

If you dont have that you can always use a bucket to collect your wort while you sparge with your brew kettle.

*Edit you should probably just BIAB, that's what all the cool kids are doing. Apparently the aborigines pioneered it and the kiwis took it international.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:48 PM   #64
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Speaking of saving dumb ass opinions....def a cheap shot.
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:49 PM   #65
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This thread has certainly taken off...and apparently chapped some asses, which wasn't my intention.

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Old 10-10-2012, 04:51 PM   #66
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nah,just that #62 was a bit over the top.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:09 PM   #67
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Speaking of saving dumb ass opinions....def a cheap shot.
Woah, Woah, Woah. Please do not take that post serious. I meant to be sarcastic but apparently it was a poor joke. I BIAB and love it. I'm just getting a little defensive. Apologies for any offense.
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Woah, Woah, Woah. Please do not take that post serious. I meant to be sarcastic but apparently it was a poor joke. I BIAB and love it. I'm just getting a little defensive. Apologies for any offense.
I gathered a hint of sarcasm in your first post, but you might want to add an emoticon as it can be hard to gauge sarcasm in writing...
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:46 PM   #69
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I gathered a hint of sarcasm in your first post, but you might want to add an emoticon as it can be hard to gauge sarcasm in writing...
Noted.

I'm having a panic attack thinking I just pissed off the guy whose countless posts, advice, and opinions have exponentially increased my beers quality.

Xpertskir: I understand your original point. Some of the other posters I started taking a little too personal. Sorry again. I shall kindly bow out of this debate.
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I always read all threads with a grain of salt. When I was a wee lad, I had a conversation with the father of a friend of mine. We were discussing motor oil and he professed that motor oil XXX was the best stuff made since pharoah. I knew he happened to be the regional salesman for motor oil XXX, and I figured I would get a little lesson on motor oil chemistry, so I asked "why is it better?". He looked at me, stunned. Then he shrugged his shoulders and said " I don't know, it just is". Needless to say, I never took automotive advice from that particular man again. The point is that if someone chooses to post information here, I listen critically and look for the answer to the question "why?" If someone is willing to engage in an intellectual conversation, I will listen. If not, i usually remove myself from the thread and move on my way. I started with extract and steeping grains, and made very good beers for quite a while. This past summer I switched to AG BIAB for many of the reasons listed above. There are drawbacks, which anyone that has done a 10 gallon BIAB batch already understands. Personally, if I choose to add a mash tun to my equipment list, I will most likely line it with a bag, not a manifold. That's my choice. Since I haven't done it yet, I do not choose to offer that as a viable alternative. Once I have facts on the method, I may elect to share them here, if i believe it will be helpful to others. To those "traditional" 3 vessel brewers; I have read and learned a great deal from your AG threads about protein rests, to mash out or not, etc., I have yet to find experiences in 3 vessel AG that did not directly translate to BIAB. To me BIAB is "real AG brewing", its just a different way of separating the grains from the wort. I am a bit weary of the discussion of "real AG" vs "BIAB AG" To me we're all brewers, whether we use extracts, bags or 3 vessels. We all have much to learn from each other's successes and mistakes. That's what this forum is for, and quite frankly, threads like this is one of the reasons I will most likely never join a local brew club.

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