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believeinsteve 07-18-2009 06:03 PM

Vertical Epic 08-08-08 clone, newer ag brewer
so I've done a handful of ag brews, and i think i've gotten it down fairly well. My efficiency hits around the mid 80's.
So, i thought i would try something a little more daring, and decided on the Stone Vertical Epic 08 clone from their site.
Stone Vertical Epic Ale

and with beersmith this is the recipe i figured out
for a 5 gallon batch
13.50 lbs Pale Malt 2 row -87.10%
( i assume stone uses US 2 row, so i will too)
1 lb Flaked Oats - 6.45 %
1 lb Table Sugar - 6.45 %
(their recipe calls for candi syrup, but lhbs doesent have it)

mashing at 148 for two hours. I do the bobby m, no mash out double batch sparge method.

So I've never used flaked oats before. is there anything i should know about mashing with them?
Has anyone ever tried this recipe before? if so, how did it come out?

believeinsteve 07-19-2009 07:47 PM

40 views and nothing to say.

im just wondering about the flaked oats even in such a small amount, and if anyone has tried this recipe?

xiang 07-20-2009 12:10 AM

Haven't tried tasting it yet. I have a 22oz of 8-8-8 in the fridge. Theres a thread around here that shows how to make candi sugar/syrup. (At least I thought there was)

carnevoodoo 07-20-2009 12:29 AM

At 6% of the grist, I would just advise to go ahead and mash like normal. Oats won't give you any trouble.

believeinsteve 07-20-2009 02:02 AM

yea i tried the 08 when it came out and loved it, problem was i couldnt save any.

I have made the syrup before, but was only successful for dark colors for dubbels and dark strongs. Whenever i've tried to make the light stuff it seems like it goes from clear to dark pee colored in a milisecond. But I'll probably try the syrup again.

thanks for the input on the oats, they also seemed a little out of place to me for a belgian, but then again this isn't truly belgian

thanks for the replies

thelorax121 07-20-2009 04:43 PM

Jamil Z claims that table or corn sugar can be substituted for light candi sugar with little to no difference in flavor. Don't know if this is the case from personal experience, but he is usually a pretty reliable source

drunkrhino 07-20-2009 07:47 PM

i made this several weeks ago but changed it up slightly. i substituted wheat malt for the flaked oats since they were using it for head retention. it only added .2 to the SRM. also used table sugar. only did a 90min mash, 2 hours seemed excessive. i have never had the real thing but the hydrometer sample tasted great (was at 1.009 after 5 days). mine should be ready by 08.08.09.

carnevoodoo 07-20-2009 09:33 PM

Try the 04 VE clone. The best of the series! You won't be let down.

schristian619 07-20-2009 09:38 PM

I made this last october or so. I followed their recipe and used the 2 cadi sugars they suggested. Mine came out very nice. I cracked one open a few weeks ago for teh first time since Jan and it's still great. I used the oats as directed and just included them in the mash like normal. Other than this being a loooong brew day witht the 2 hour mash and 90 minute boil, everythign went smoothly as far as i can remember.

believeinsteve 07-21-2009 05:06 PM

i've subbed table sugar before for a jamil recipe, and it was fine.

the 04 sounds interesting, i never tasted that one. kaffir lime leaves? that sounds awesome

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