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Old 07-07-2014, 11:53 PM   #51
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I slightly disagree on the usefulness of the term. The essence of BIAB is the bag itself, which then enables using a single vessel. It was a novel development the Aussies came up with, and that's just what they started calling it.

At some point, a thoughtful 3V brewer realized mash cleanup was way easier with the bag, and replaced his traditional false bottom with it. So to name this new hybrid technique, they kept the "-in-a-bag" part (since that's the essential thing), and added "Mash" to distinguish it from the 1V technique already named BIAB.

Both are meaningful, useful terms.



I think it's too late to rename it.
Who could have predicted a mesh bag would rile such passions and stir controversy among reasonable people! I'm being a little tongue in cheek, the name has stuck and even earned its own acronym. So be it.

That said, I'm not one to draw too many fine distinctions under a greater umbrella; I don't take methods too seriously, just the outcome. The bag though, it is a novel development in amatuer brewing. I don't say that in a negative sense, unless you're a pro, and then it's all moot. The bag is ours. The Peoples' Bag... and we shall only make mention of 1V's, 2V's or 3V's when it affects the outcome.

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Old 07-08-2014, 01:17 AM   #52
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For me it's a cost issue. I want to do 5 gallon BIAB batches, but I don't want to spend $315 for a 10 gallon brew kettle, propane burner and quality BIAB bag when I can get a 7.5 gallon turkey fryer/burner combo for $50, a 10 gallon round cooler for $45 and a quality BIAB bag for $35. Brew in a bag, mash in a bag, who cares about labels and technique purity? It's all about making beer and figuring out what works best for you. I don't care if the sausage maker cranks the grinder clockwise or counter clockwise as long as the sausage tastes good...
How come a 10 gallon kettle costs $315 for a traditional mash and a 7.5 costs $50 for for BIAB? My experience is that kettle costs are largely independent of mashing method.

My 10 gallon kettle costs $50.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:07 PM   #53
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The bag is ours. The Peoples' Bag...
Long live the bag!
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:16 PM   #54
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Bag makes for easy clean up, and if you get a stuck sparge its super easy to pick up the bag and fix it. idk why you wouldnt use a bag.
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Bag makes for easy clean up, and if you get a stuck sparge its super easy to pick up the bag and fix it. idk why you wouldnt use a bag.
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Yeah, I agree. I don't see why anyone using a cooler for a MT wouldn't use a bag. It's worth it just to not have to vorlouf anymore. And while I haven't tried it, you may well be able to get away with a finer crush.
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Old 07-08-2014, 09:37 PM   #56
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You should totally be able to do a finer crush, if it works fine for BIAB I don't know why it wouldn't for MIAB.

Question for those who use bags with cooler mash tuns: do you use a ball valve, and do you think it's necessary to do so? I BIAB and I'm thinking about getting a cooler to reduce temp loss, but I was hoping I could skip the valve and just drain out of the cooler's built-in spout. Will that be ok, or will it not stand up to the heat?

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Old 07-08-2014, 09:50 PM   #57
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I don't use a valve and I'm not sure if one is neccesary for 5g batches, might depend on the person. But since I'm exclusively 2.75g in a 5g igloo, I pick up the cooler and dump it into my kettle of makeup/dunk water. I just set the kettle on the floor first and make sure my pour is deliberate. The temp control alone is worth it for me. Never bothered with the built in spout, would seem pretty slow.

You could always test 'the dump' with some hose water outside.. just to see how cleanly you can do it. Otherwise go with the valve. I tried to avoid the cost (and another hose to clean) in the first place.. mr. cheapo.

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You should totally be able to do a finer crush, if it works fine for BIAB I don't know why it wouldn't for MIAB.

Question for those who use bags with cooler mash tuns: do you use a ball valve, and do you think it's necessary to do so? I BIAB and I'm thinking about getting a cooler to reduce temp loss, but I was hoping I could skip the valve and just drain out of the cooler's built-in spout. Will that be ok, or will it not stand up to the heat?
Mine is a #5 drilled bung wedged as far into the hole of the cooler as it can go with a piece of tubing through it with one of those white clamps to control or stop flow. I have about an inch of the tubing going into the cooler. I use an orange 5 gallon Rubbermaid cooler.
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