Kegconnection Complete Starter Kit and More Giveaway!


Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing > Understanding a 3 Tier Brewing System

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 03-05-2010, 12:28 PM   #1
StarCityBrewMaster
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Roanoke, VA
Posts: 347
Liked 3 Times on 3 Posts

Default Understanding a 3 Tier Brewing System

I have only made one batch of beer and planning my second. Obviously I'm a big dreamer already thinking about a 3 tier brewing system. My father in law is a welder and could easily put together a rack like the one in the video listed.

http://www.youtube.com/JoePolvino#p/u/1/Zk6d1dy9jOc

This video and a couple others listed really help me to understand how the system works (and how easy it can be) but what do I do if I want to brew 10 gallons at a time? Me and a buddy have split everything down the middle, which is nice from a cost stand point, but it would be nice to come away with 2 cases of beer each after every brew. So I am curious what you would do to come away with 10 gallons.

Is it as simple as adding one more burner/keggle and doubling the ingredients used then splitting between the two keggles or do most of you just do 2 batches in a row? Just trying to understand everything about the systems. I know they are not necessary to brew all grain but man do they look sharp and I'm sure help the process flow smoothly.

__________________
Primary 1: Winter Tropics Pale Ale
Primary 2: Appy IPA
Primary 3: Truly Triple Hopped IPA

Secondary 1: Air
Secondary 2: Air

Bottled: Edworts IPA, Nierra Sevada, Stork Blue Celebration Ale
On Deck: Maroon Effect Amber, Blonde, IPA, APA
StarCityBrewMaster is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-05-2010, 12:56 PM   #2
Gfei
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Richmond VA
Posts: 249
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts
Likes Given: 3

Default

If you already plan to use a keggle, why not just brew 10 gallons all at once. You're boil kettle should be big enough to handle it... that is certainly easier than doing 2 smaller boils or brewing twice in a row.

__________________

Chris
Damn Yankee Brewing

|Bar Build|

Gfei is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-05-2010, 12:58 PM   #3
Zen_Brew
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Seattle
Posts: 1,921
Liked 22 Times on 22 Posts
Likes Given: 3

Default

It's really just a basic size issue. Rather than adding additional vessels you just need to make sure the vessels you have can handle the volume of a 10 gallon batch. Now the keggles are good for 10 gallons as they have a 15 gallon capacity which leaves room for the additional water in the brew kettle you will need to boil to account for boil off. To collect 10 gallons you need to boil somewhere around 12-14 gallons as you will lose some to evaporation which varries by system and environment.

The brewer in the video is limited in batch size by his 5 gallon mash tun. He is also limited even in a 5 gallon batch to at most moderate sized beers. If he wanted to brew a big high alcohol beer his grain bill would not fit. He could change to a 10 gallon water cooler and be able to do any 5 gallon beer and many 10 gallon beers, but again be unable to do really high alcohol beers. Many brewers who know they want to brew 10 gallon batches just go ahead and use a 3rd keggle as the mash tun. This gives you a 15 gallon hot liquor tank, 15 gallon mash tun and 15 gallon brew kettle. Some will even go up to a 20 gallon brew kettle as with the 15 gallon one and starting off with as much as 14 gallons or wort does not leave much error for boil overs.

As long as you mount any hardware you want on your keggles such as thermometers or sight glasses low enough in the keggles, an all keggle system will also work fine for 5 gallon batches as well.

__________________
Primary: German Hef, Belgian IPA, Scottish 80, Belgian Dubbel
On Tap: Oatmeal Stout, Vanilla Oatmeal Stout, Belgian Dark Strong, Munich Dunkel, Dunkel Weizen, Oktoberfest, Bock, IPA, Black IPA, English IPA, Pale Ale

Using the mind to look for reality is delusion. Using your senses to look for reality is awareness.

"One time I was so desperate for a beer I snuck into the football stadium and ate the dirt under the bleachers." Homer Simpson

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Hoppiness

Last edited by Zen_Brew; 03-05-2010 at 01:00 PM.
Zen_Brew is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-05-2010, 01:22 PM   #4
StarCityBrewMaster
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Roanoke, VA
Posts: 347
Liked 3 Times on 3 Posts

Default

So your saying the set up on the left is what I should shoot for eventually?




Then I'd be able to do any beer I wanted including high alchohol and get 10 gallons easy?

__________________
Primary 1: Winter Tropics Pale Ale
Primary 2: Appy IPA
Primary 3: Truly Triple Hopped IPA

Secondary 1: Air
Secondary 2: Air

Bottled: Edworts IPA, Nierra Sevada, Stork Blue Celebration Ale
On Deck: Maroon Effect Amber, Blonde, IPA, APA
StarCityBrewMaster is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-05-2010, 01:29 PM   #5
Zen_Brew
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Seattle
Posts: 1,921
Liked 22 Times on 22 Posts
Likes Given: 3

Default

Yes, that is correct. The only issue would be watching your boil for boilovers at the start, and that can be greatly negated by using a foam control product such as fermcap in the boil.

Also rather than using keggles you could use any 15 gallon stock pot. Many go with keggles because they can be found cheaper than many stock pots and they have a "cool" factor.

__________________
Primary: German Hef, Belgian IPA, Scottish 80, Belgian Dubbel
On Tap: Oatmeal Stout, Vanilla Oatmeal Stout, Belgian Dark Strong, Munich Dunkel, Dunkel Weizen, Oktoberfest, Bock, IPA, Black IPA, English IPA, Pale Ale

Using the mind to look for reality is delusion. Using your senses to look for reality is awareness.

"One time I was so desperate for a beer I snuck into the football stadium and ate the dirt under the bleachers." Homer Simpson

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Hoppiness

Last edited by Zen_Brew; 03-05-2010 at 01:34 PM.
Zen_Brew is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-05-2010, 01:33 PM   #6
kryolla
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Reading PA
Posts: 433
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

The difference is the 3 tier works off of gravity and the 1 tier you need a pump both can make 10g batches

Top tier is HLT
middle tier is MLT
bottom tier is BK

__________________
kryolla is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-05-2010, 05:46 PM   #7
ibbones
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Victoria, Texas
Posts: 526
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts
Likes Given: 2

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by StarCityBrewMaster View Post
So your saying the set up on the left is what I should shoot for eventually?


Then I'd be able to do any beer I wanted including high alchohol and get 10 gallons easy?
That's kinda what I am looking for. I have one keggle that I use as my BK but I might have access to another and just use the cooler for the mash tun. I like the setup better than the three tier system.
__________________

"BONES"

Gun control is being able to hit your target.

ibbones is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-05-2010, 08:48 PM   #8
Padstack31
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 155
Default

I built a hybrid of these two systems....mine is a 2-tier system with the HLT and Kettle on the lower tier and the Mash on the top.

This allows me to pump my sparge water from the HLT on top of the mash and then gravity feed from the mash into the kettle...then i can use the pump to push the wort from the kettle through my plate heat exchanger and into the fermentors...

__________________
Padstack31 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-13-2012, 12:57 AM   #9
deepcdan99
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Ludlow, Ma
Posts: 613
Liked 32 Times on 28 Posts
Likes Given: 23

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Padstack31 View Post
I built a hybrid of these two systems....mine is a 2-tier system with the HLT and Kettle on the lower tier and the Mash on the top.

This allows me to pump my sparge water from the HLT on top of the mash and then gravity feed from the mash into the kettle...then i can use the pump to push the wort from the kettle through my plate heat exchanger and into the fermentors...
2years later and a dollar short....do u have any photos?
__________________
deepcdan99 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 09-13-2012, 02:40 AM   #10
wilserbrewer
Vendor
HBT_SPONSOR.png
Vendor Ads 
Feedback Score: 9 reviews
 
wilserbrewer's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Jersey Shore, Jersey
Posts: 6,581
Liked 396 Times on 338 Posts
Likes Given: 8

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by StarCityBrewMaster View Post
I have only made one batch of beer and planning my second. Obviously I'm a big dreamer already thinking about a 3 tier brewing system..
Brewing all grain beer can be accomplished very simply without tiers or pumps....I would suggest getting your head out of the clouds and into the kettle and get brewing and get some hands on experience. Check out dennybrew for the ultra simple approach, and when you have that down and are making some decent beer than worry about posting a photo of your "rig".

http://hbd.org/cascade/dennybrew/

OK...I apologize if I was a bit harsh above, but I just feel that until you understand the basic concepts, a three tier or using pumps is like handing the keys to a race car to a permit driver.
__________________
wilserbrewer
BIAB Bags, Hop Bags and Ratchet Pulleys for sale

Expert tailor and supplier of custom sized, top quality BIAB bags, hop bags and ratchet pulleys at reasonable pricing

http://biabbags.webs.com



CORONA MILL BUCKET SYSTEM V. 2.0
wilserbrewer is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Tags
3 tier system, all grain, starting

Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
3 Tier system...which do you use? BrianTheBrewer Equipment/Sanitation 6 01-27-2010 07:52 PM
3 Tier System derekbooth DIY Projects 3 01-18-2010 01:40 AM
For Sale - WTB 3 tier or single tier mash system flyweed For Sale 2 12-06-2009 10:34 PM
Two Tier System modenacart DIY Projects 7 10-12-2009 06:29 PM
DIY 2-Tier Keggle System ??? Herman Equipment/Sanitation 18 09-25-2008 05:08 PM