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Old 05-01-2008, 12:11 PM   #1
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Default Two Quick 10 Gallon Recipe Questions...

1. I've been making a recipe for a 5 gallon batch. Am I right in assuming that I can just double the quantity of everything and be good to go for a 10 gallon batch?

2. I'm making a starter for this puppy. What's the best way about doing this (Never made a starter before)? Multiple vials of liquid yeast...or can I do one vial? Do I need to gradually introduce it to more and more starter wort/nutrient?

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You don't need two vials. Get some DME or LME and cookup some unhopped wort on your stovetop that will match or be close to the gravity of your recipe. Put it in boiled jars and then into your fridge. I use pint and quart jars and that makes it easy to step up. I'll put a room temperature pint of starter and the initial yeast pack in a sterile cider jug or flask and stopper it, then step it up with an additional pint or quart 2 days later, which is also 2 days before brew day. the night before brewing I put it into the fridge, then the morning of brewing I pour off the liquid on top, so when I pitch it's just the yeast layer.

It works pretty well and only costs a small amount of extract to do.

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You don't need two vials. Get some DME or LME and cookup some unhopped wort on your stovetop that will match or be close to the gravity of your recipe. Put it in boiled jars and then into your fridge. I use pint and quart jars and that makes it easy to step up. I'll put a room temperature pint of starter and the initial yeast pack in a sterile cider jug or flask and stopper it, then step it up with an additional pint or quart 2 days later, which is also 2 days before brew day. the night before brewing I put it into the fridge, then the morning of brewing I pour off the liquid on top, so when I pitch it's just the yeast layer.

It works pretty well and only costs a small amount of extract to do.
Okay...so let's assume the earliest I can make a starter is Friday Night and I have to brew either sometime saturday or sunday morning...Can I make the pint friday night, add another pint of wort to the yeast on Saturday afternoon, and brew sunday morning?

Secondly, I'd really like to brew Saturday morning...is that possible given my timeline? I guess I can make starters tonight too and add the extra pint tomorrow night...
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In my experience, the starter sometimes needs longer, especially if you are stepping it up. I'd make the starter ASAP today and to make sure it's going before you brew.

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If you want to step up the starter you'll want to make it today for Saturday.
If you make it Friday night, then just add all your wort at once.

Check out this for starter info: http://www.mrmalty.com/pitching.php

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I always try to make my starters at least 2 or 3 days in advance when I use liquid yeast.

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If you want to step up the starter you'll want to make it today for Saturday.
If you make it Friday night, then just add all your wort at once.

Check out this for starter info: http://www.mrmalty.com/pitching.php
It's telling me I need over a gallon of starter if I use only one vial of liquid yeast...That's quite a bit different from a quart or two. When pitching 2 vials it still calls for 2 quarts. Thoughts?
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For 5 gals, one vials with ~2L starter is usually sufficient (for ale).
So, for 10 you'll need to double up, which means twice as much volume or twice as much liquid yeast.

Personally, tonight I'd pitch 2 vials into 1L of starter and step it up to 2L tomorrow for use on Saturday morning.

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For 5 gals, one vials with ~2L starter is usually sufficient (for ale).
So, for 10 you'll need to double up, which means twice as much volume or twice as much liquid yeast.

Personally, tonight I'd pitch 2 vials into 1L of starter and step it up to 2L tomorrow for use on Saturday morning.
That looks about right using the calculator too. So to make a Starter, Jamil says 1 gram to 10 ml of Wort.

10 x 200 = 2 liters
1 gram x 200 = 200 grams = Approx .45 Pounds of DME for 2 liters of Wort...

So it sounds like I need to find 2 cheap glass gallon jars/bottles at the store...

All this sounding right?

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Yep, about .45lb or 7oz of dme.

2L = ~1/2 gal. (Think of a 2 liter bottle of soda )
So, one jar/bottle should do it.

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