Ss Brewing Technologies Giveaway!

Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing > Stuck Mash / HSA
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 05-05-2008, 12:41 AM   #1
AnOldUR
fer-men-TAY-shuhn
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
AnOldUR's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 6,202
Liked 575 Times on 418 Posts
Likes Given: 442

Default Stuck Mash / HSA

I read a thread a while back and can't seem to find it. The OP had a stuck mash and had to dump it out and start over. Well, I had my first stuck mash today. No flow right from the first time I opened the valve. Blowing in through the tube bubbled in the mash, but it would not flow in the out direction. I dumped the mash in a bucket. Couldn't find anything wrong. Put it back in the tun and after that it flowed fine.

Still don't have clue what happened, but my fear is HSA from dumping the mash back and forth. I just listened to the pod cast on HSA, but was curious how the OP's beer turned out or if anyone else has had a similar experience and has some insight.

__________________
Sent from my POS computer because I refuse to own a smartphone!
AnOldUR is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-05-2008, 01:45 AM   #2
bushump
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 23
Default

I had the exact same problem. I had to dump in bucket and then fix manifold that had spilt and it flowed just fine. I actually finished at a higher efficency than expected. I just bottled a few days ago and will let you know when I crack them open.

Brandon

__________________
bushump is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-05-2008, 01:59 AM   #3
AnOldUR
fer-men-TAY-shuhn
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
AnOldUR's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 6,202
Liked 575 Times on 418 Posts
Likes Given: 442

Default

Funny. My efficiency was up also. May be we're on to a new brewing technique.
__________________
Sent from my POS computer because I refuse to own a smartphone!
AnOldUR is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-05-2008, 02:08 AM   #4
Yooper
Ale's What Cures You!
HBT_ADMIN.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Yooper's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Upper Michigan
Posts: 61,100
Liked 4480 Times on 3260 Posts
Likes Given: 870

Default

It happened to me TWICE last week! My little hose disconnected from the false bottom. Not just one. I must have hit it with my mash paddle, but it really was a PITA. I think it'll be ok! I mean, I think HSA is more of a myth anyway. Plus, we're boiling after the mash- so wouldn't that drive off any o2? not like after the boil? Well, that's what I'm telling myself anyway.

__________________
Broken Leg Brewery
Giving beer a leg to stand on since 2006
Yooper is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-05-2008, 02:31 AM   #5
morrighu
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 53
Default

You run it off into a boil kettle anyway and then when you're done, you oxygenate it for the yeast. I really don't see a problem with this either.

2 cents,

M.

__________________
morrighu is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-05-2008, 12:06 PM   #6
brewt00l
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Doylestown, PA
Posts: 3,739
Liked 9 Times on 9 Posts
Likes Given: 2

Default

I went through something very similar when I brewed my version of the 888. I did however remember the Basic Brewing podcast w/ Charlie P where he mentioned that perhaps his addition of cinnamon (an anti-oxidant) prevents HSA in his brews where he strains the collected wort. I tossed a bit of cinnamon into the kettle and to date, no signs of oxidation.

__________________
brewt00l is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-05-2008, 12:33 PM   #7
AnOldUR
fer-men-TAY-shuhn
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
AnOldUR's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 6,202
Liked 575 Times on 418 Posts
Likes Given: 442

Default

Quote:
morrighu wrote:
You run it off into a boil kettle anyway and then when you're done, you oxygenate it for the yeast. I really don't see a problem with this either.

If I understood the pod cast correctly, the oxygen bonding that takes place during the mash is something that is not reversible through boiling. The big question is how much this will affect the beer and they didn’t really have a firm answer.

brewt00l. Unfortunately, I listened to the pod cast AFTER I was done brewing, so didn’t get to try the cinnamon trick. How did the 888 turn out? Did the cinnamon change the character of the beer? Is it old enough to tell if there is any oxygenation.

Yooper, I hope I can remember to revisit this thread in a couple of months to see how your experience works out.
__________________
Sent from my POS computer because I refuse to own a smartphone!
AnOldUR is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-05-2008, 12:45 PM   #8
brewt00l
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Doylestown, PA
Posts: 3,739
Liked 9 Times on 9 Posts
Likes Given: 2

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AnOldUR View Post
brewt00l. Unfortunately, I listened to the pod cast AFTER I was done brewing, so didn’t get to try the cinnamon trick. How did the 888 turn out? Did the cinnamon change the character of the beer? Is it old enough to tell if there is any oxygenation.
The cinnamon is not noticeable in the flavor of the 888. I used about a 3/4 tablespoon tops (it was kinda a Chinese firedrill moment)....course, that is a pretty bold brew to begin with and if it were something more subtle, perhaps it would be different. It was brewed at the end of December so it's still pretty young in the grand scheme. All things considered per the BB podcast on the topic, you have to really abuse your brew to introduce negative HSA effects.
__________________
brewt00l is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-05-2008, 01:59 PM   #9
Lil' Sparky
Cowboys EAC
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Lil' Sparky's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 4,013
Liked 50 Times on 33 Posts

Default

I had to do this on a few brews when I started using a false bottom and never noticed any negative effects. In fact, my original setup was a cooler with no braid/manifold for a mash tun. After the mash I would transfer the grains to a bucket-in-bucket lauter tun for sparging. Never had a bad beer, so I say don't sweat it.

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by duffman2 View Post
I dub this beer the Double Slutty Triple Nutty Bodacious Booty Brunette!
Lil' Sparky is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-06-2008, 10:13 PM   #10
BierMuncher
...My Junk is Ugly...
HBT_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
BierMuncher's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 12,176
Liked 581 Times on 342 Posts
Likes Given: 213

Default

Next time instead of just blowing into the hose, give it a back-blast with a garden hose and spray nozzle.

It worked for me every time until I started using rice hulls...now...no more slow/stuck sparges.

__________________

*******
Check Out My Rolling Kegerator

BierMuncher Tried & Trues:
Tits-Up IIPA (3-Time Medalist), Black Pearl Porter, Kona Pale Ale, Outer Limits IPA, Centennial Blonde (4.0%), Nierra Sevada (SNPA), SWMBO Slayer Belgian Blonde,

BierMuncher is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply



Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Stuck mash?....No problem Onescalerguy All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 7 04-12-2010 02:13 AM
Mini-mash in cooler mash tun stuck dmako Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 23 12-31-2008 10:39 PM
1st all grain-stuck mash? nchomebrew All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 19 06-30-2008 06:49 PM
stuck mash noobrich All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 3 11-23-2007 03:23 PM
stuck mash and decoction delboy All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 2 09-24-2007 11:06 PM