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Old 08-01-2012, 06:08 AM   #1
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What is your standard IPA grain bill?
How bout your standard IIPA grain bill?
Any SMaSH IPA suggestions?

I've got tons of hops and a few recipes in the queue, but after those, I'm gonna make a couple IPA's and IIPA's. What say you on the grain bill for each?

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Old 08-01-2012, 06:17 AM   #2
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I don't know about "standard," but I've used this base a couple times with quite tasty results:

10lbs 2-row
2lbs Vienna
1lb Crystal 40 (or 60)

For 5 gallons, gets to about 1.070 figuring 75% efficiency.

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Old 08-01-2012, 02:01 PM   #3
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They're usually mostly 2-row pale malt of some kind (80-90%) mixed with a small portion (5% or so) of carapils and/or wheat malt and/or oats and/or rye and/or vienna and/or pilsener malt and/or sugar and/or munich and/or crystal malt and/or honey malt.

There's no huge distinction between the typical IPA vs. IIPA grain bills aside from quantity.

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Old 08-01-2012, 02:23 PM   #4
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I have to disagree. There seems to be one big distinction in grain bills: how much malt/sweetness there is. Compare beers with recipes that have been circulated like Pliny the Elder and G'Knight. Pliny is dry without "malty" grains or a lot sweet crystal malts, while G'Knight has a high amount of medium colored crystal, along with Munich. Pliny uses simple sugars to dry it out even further, G'Knight doesn't. And the taste is quite evident.

Of course, I do agree that the hops are the main focus of an IPA, but the grain bill sets the tone.

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I don't know about "standard," but I've used this base a couple times with quite tasty results:

10lbs 2-row
2lbs Vienna
1lb Crystal 40 (or 60)

For 5 gallons, gets to about 1.070 figuring 75% efficiency.
I use almost the same grain bill but .5lb C60. I dont like them too sweet.
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Old 08-01-2012, 02:38 PM   #6
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I have to disagree. There seems to be one big distinction in grain bills: how much malt/sweetness there is.
You can make a dry IIPA with very, very low malt sweetness. There are many commercial examples of this, and those examples are usually top rated whereas the sweeter examples are fall by the wayside.

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Compare beers with recipes that have been circulated like Pliny the Elder and G'Knight. Pliny is dry without "malty" grains or a lot sweet crystal malts, while G'Knight has a high amount of medium colored crystal, along with Munich. Pliny uses simple sugars to dry it out even further, G'Knight doesn't. And the taste is quite evident.
Not sure what you meant by this. Pliny is a dry Double IIPA, GKnight is more of a sweet Imperial Red. Green Flash WCIPA uses 15% cara malts, and it is quite dry. And many breweries use 4-12% Munich to create dry IPAs.
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I don't know about "standard," but I've used this base a couple times with quite tasty results:

10lbs 2-row
2lbs Vienna
1lb Crystal 40 (or 60)

For 5 gallons, gets to about 1.070 figuring 75% efficiency.
This is perfect. If I were to use Munich, it replaces the Vienna? What is the difference? Color? Fermentables?
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You get similar flavors from both, but some differences. Here's a good (and brief) summary: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/muni...a-malt-152405/

I bet a swap of 1 lb Munich and 1 lb 2-row for the 2 lbs Vienna would be pretty similar.

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The difference is flavor. Munich is more malty. For IPAs, I find the sweet spot to be about 4-8%. As a comparison, Vienna is said to provide more body, but less flavor. Color depends on the maltster and the grade of the product. The supplier should be able to tell you the Lovibond.

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IIPA
15 lbs 2row
1 lb caramel 20
0.75lb aromatic
1 lb carapilis

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