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Old 09-23-2008, 04:20 AM   #11
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The Jamil answer puhlees.

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Old 09-23-2008, 04:29 AM   #12
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The Jamil answer puhlees.
I feel like BrewSmith was the only one that knew hwat he was talking about but unfortunatly I did not know what he was talking about . So i emailed Jamil since the recipe i am brewing is influenced by the one from brewing classic styles...sorry for kind of putting down this site in the email but i just didnt understand what BrewSmith was trying to say....i love these forums (lifetime supporter) but i just felt like nothing was making sense



Maris Otter is almost always kilned as pale ale malt. I’ve never seen it offered otherwise. If you can get Crisp, that is what I use.



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So after falling in love with Newcastle I have been messing around with recipes. Of course i looked at brewing classic styles first and I got the dreaded British pale ale malt. I have seen this question 100x times and I have seen you answer it before but I am just still a little confused. It is easier for me to get Marris Otter but not a hassle to get Pale Malt UK 2-row. Which one should I go with to make a great Nothern English Brown Ale? More importantly....which one do YOU use? I don't mind ordering it if it will make a better beer. I asked this question on the forums at homebrewtalk.com and everybody is getting into this techinal **** I can't understand. Please help



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so barley is a leaves of hops? or barley is a different plant? and blend with hops? I need that to be cleared thanks..
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Old 09-23-2008, 04:40 AM   #13
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I think he meant the answer not the question.

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I think he meant the answer not the question.
The answer is right above the question where it says he uses crisp. I copy and pasted staright from the email so Jamil's answer is on top
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I think he meant the answer not the question.
EDIT: Sorry for the double post...i am just having a bad forum day....and it is almost 1AM. I need to get some sleep
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If you are making a british style ale Maris Otter, Golden Promise, Pale Ale Malt or British Pale Malt (2-row) all are good choices. However they all are different malts.
Maris Otter and Golden Promise refer to 2 different barley varieties that are grown in Britain. Pale Ale Malt and Pale Malt are refering different kilnings of the malt. If a bag of malt is labeled Maris Otter it is usually kilned a Pale Ale malt. If it is labeled Pale Ale malt then it is probably some other variety of barley kilned as a Pale Ale malt. Pale Malt is kilned to a slightly paler color and has a lighter flavor than Pale Ale malt.

My LHBS usually has Munton's Maris Otter for a reasonable price so that is what I use. A couple times he has been out of that variety and I have used Munton's Pale malt with only very subtle changes in the result.
Based on online prices I would probably use Briess Pale Ale malt for my english ales if I could not get my base malt at the LHBS.

I hope this helps and doesn't confuse even more.

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Guys, it's like this:

You have barley. There are two main types of barley used in brewing, two-row and six-row. Two-row barley has larger, fatter kernels that grow in two rows on the stalk. Six-row barley has smaller, tougher kernels that grown in six rows on the stalk. Of the two, two-row is much more popular because it's more efficient. We'll put six-row aside for now.

There are many cultivars of two-row barley, and many of those have been mentioned in the thread. Cultivars are like dogs, onions, people, or yeast strains. They are all of the same species, but they vary for one reason or another. Marris Otter is a cultivar of two-row barley, and a very popular one in the U.K.

Now, you get to malting. There are many types of malt, labelled according to what the maltster did to the grain. Among those malts out there is "Munich malt," "crystal malt," chocolate malt," and of course, "pale malt." U.S. and U.K. maltsters have different malting techniques. U.S. maltsters tend to use U.S. cultivars and kiln their pale malt to around 2-2.5L, while U.K. maltsters tend to use U.K. cultivars and kiln to around 3-3.5L. In any case, "pale malt" always is two-row malt.

For some reason, many brewers starting referring to U.S. two-row pale malt as just "U.S. 2-row" or "domestinc two-row" or something like it. Since Marris Otter is so popular for U.K. pale malt, many brewers (through laziness or ignorance) refer to any U.K. pale malt as "Marris Otter." When I mention "Marris Otter," I mean that cultivar.

There ya go, I think.


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Thanks CBBaron and TexLaw. You guys helped a lot! And now i am glad i know what a cultivar is

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