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Old 09-07-2008, 05:23 AM   #1
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Default Some confusion between different types of grain

Ok so i know there are a couple diferent names for some malts but just tell me if these malts are the same but just called different names by different people.

British Pale Malt is the same as Marris Otter?

American 2-row is the same as Pale 2-row?

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so barley is a leaves of hops? or barley is a different plant? and blend with hops? I need that to be cleared thanks..
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Ok so i know there are a couple diferent names for some malts but just tell me if these malts are the same but just called different names by different people.

British Pale Malt is the same as Marris Otter?

American 2-row is the same as Pale 2-row?

Thanks for the help
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yes, assuming the pale malt is not pale ale malt

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Old 09-07-2008, 06:29 AM   #4
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Kinda and Kinda

Maris Otter is a cultivar of barley, one of many different types grown and used for "British Pale Malt" or "British 2-Row." If you find grain labeled as Maris Otter you can be pretty confident that it's "British." More importantly in all of this is the Maltster. There are several well established British malt companies, Crisp, Thomas Fawcett, and Simpson's are a few. They may each have a Maris Otter malt, but they may also have Optic, Halcion, or Golden Promise. All of this is genericlly labeled "British Pale Malt."

A similar situation is also true with American malt, but to a lesser extent. Most of the American base malt that you will find will be labeled as American 2-Row or American Pale Malt and can be used for just about any American style. Just know that again there may be some differences between malt companies, and they may also make several different products. My LHBS has an example:

As far as base malts go, my LHBS carries 2 different American ones. One labeled as "American 2-Row" and another as "Pale Ale Malt" Both are from Northwest Malting, but they are slightly different in their kilning. I buy the Pale Ale malt because it is a little darker and fuller in flavor (3-4ºL) than the regular 2-row (2ºL), and it works great in my Pale Ales and everything darker. I buy it by the sack. If I was making a Blonde Ale, however, I'd probably use the 2-Row, because it's a little lighter and has the flavor I'm looking for.

If anything, just look at the Lovibond rating of the malt. Most "American 2-Row" will be between 1.5-3ºL and the "British" malts are usually darker, closer to 3-4ºL.

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+1 to the info Brewsmith just gave. My LHBS carries both MArris Otter AND UK 2 -Row, and I know the Lovibond are very slightly different, have not tried both so I cannot say anything about taste...

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I've heard Golden Promise is the best there is when looking for an ale base malt. Anyone agree? Disagree? In what types of ales does it shine?

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I've heard Golden Promise is the best there is when looking for an ale base malt. Anyone agree? Disagree? In what types of ales does it shine?
This question is too broad. I'm sure it's well suited to some British styles, but to say that it's the best for all ales is far too broad a statement.
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This is killing me. I am so confused...this is when i wish i had a jamil's number.

EDIT: i am not even going to get into how i posted on this thread instead of my other one. Mods you can pick a thread to delete. Jamil emailed me back so i got my answer

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Jamil emailed me back so i got my answer

Uh... Thanks for sharing.
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Uh... Thanks for sharing.
I was just sharing so you guys knew i understood what i was asking about
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