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Old 08-22-2008, 01:07 AM   #1
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I recently made the jump to all grain, but decided I need to take a slight step back and try to understand my flavor cominations better. I really like English Ordinary Bitters (and British beer in general) and thought I would start there. I've got (2) 3 gallon carboys, so I was thinking about making 2 different SMaSH batches using Maris Otter as the base and varying the hops. I've got Challenge and Fuggles on hand so was going to do one of each. Recipie below
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Mash with 1.25qt/lb at 154F H20 for 60 min
Sparge to collect 3.5 gallons
Hop Additions
1/2oz Challenger 6.7%AA 60min
1/4oz Challenger 6.7%AA 30min
1/8oz Challenger 6.7%AA 15 min
1/8oz Challenger 6.7%AA flameout
This gets me to and estimated OG of 1.041 and IBUs at 35 This is at the top end of the style.

If I do a second SMaSH (Same volume and grain bill) with Fuggles at 4.3%AA according to the same schedule I get about 22IBU (3 points below style range.

My question, for research and learning purposes, is should I up the Fuggles ammount to match the IBU's on the Challenger SMaSH, or keep the same ammounts and learn about the diferent bittering qualities; i.e. What should be the control, IBU or Hop ammount?

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Old 08-22-2008, 01:14 AM   #2
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I would get the IBU to match up with the 60 minute addition and then keep the other additions the same. I think that would give you the best comparison in flavour and aroma.

Oh and you'll LOVE the maris otter/fuggles SMaSH. I've made it a few times now, it doesn't last too long.

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So should I up the fuggles ammount at the 60 mark to match the IBU of the Challenger batch keeping the rest of the ammounts and times the same?

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does 35 seem like the right ammount of IBUs. Its at the top end of the range for that style (according to the BJCP guidelines)

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Dunno. How hoppy do you like your beers?

I did a SMaSH brew with Challenger hops and Marris Otter but fermented it with Wyeast 2124 Bohemian Lager yeast, so it was kind of a cross between a bitter and a standard American lager. Nice beer. My IBUs were in the low 20s, as I recall, which was a little weak. Somewhere in the high 20s or low 30s with good flavor and aroma additions would probably give you the most direct comparison.

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As Chad said it depends on how you like it. My own ordinary bitter is sitting at 30IBU and 1.040 OG and it's just the perfect balance for my own tastes.

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I got of work early today and deciede to do it this weekend instead of next. Just finished brewing. They're both sitting at 1.038OG and 30IBU's. I splurged and bought 2 smackpacks of Wyeast London III and pitched one into each 2.75gal batch(I figured the extra $7 was worth the time to make a starter). I can't wait to sample the finished products.

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Let us know how they turned out! I'm curious how the challenger turns out.

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I'm also curios about the challenger. I just had a Ridgeway Bitter and from their description it looked like a Chall/MO SMaSH, but I'm sure there was some other specialties in there. It was good so that gave me the idea.

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