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So, after a I transfer a beer from the fermenter (bucket) to the keg I rinse the yeast/hops sludge down the drain. Then use hot water and paper towels or soft sponge to knock off any remaining residue. Dry bucket and store in closet. When it's time to brew again, rinse bucket with water, then mix about a gallon of 1 step solution in it. Right before transfer from kettle give the bucket/lid another wipe with 1 step solution, dump the sanitizer, then poor in the cooled wort. Done.

How do you minimize the fuss with cleaning/sanitizing on brew day?

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Cleaning and sanitizing anything that touches the wort after the boil is the most important thing you do to make good beer. Not the thing to try and save time with. You don't want all that hard work and money to go to waste do you!

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Cleaning and sanitizing anything that touches the wort after the boil is the most important thing you do to make good beer. Not the thing to try and save time with. You don't want all that hard work and money to go to waste do you!

I disagree. There are things much more important than sanitizing to making good beer(ferm temp control comes to mind). IMO and about 10 years of empirical data, there is actually very little risk of infection. I've never had a spoiled batch and I'm far from overly concerned about sanitation. I think this is one area where many brewers needlessly worry about a threat that is not very likely to cause you any problems.
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While, I and most brewers will agree that fermentation temp control is key to making good beer among other factors, I would not minimize the importance of proper sanitation processes. I am not saying go overboard or OCD about it, but sanitation is a necessity. Short cutting it is not the best solution. I also am not sure what "empirical" data you are referring to.

To the OP: Get some Starsan. Onestep is really more of a cleaner. It works at first, but Starsan is better and still cheap. Do the same procedure. Store the bucket clean, mix up a batch of starsan in the bucket while brewing. Wet all the surfaces. Finish brewing. Add cooled wort to bucket. I like to put a small amount of starsan in my bucket, add the lid then shake it up to wet all the surfaces. Then I open it when I am ready to add the wort. It really is simple to do properly. Certainly not something to skimp on.

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While, I and most brewers will agree that fermentation temp control is key to making good beer among other factors, I would not minimize the importance of proper sanitation processes. I am not saying go overboard or OCD about it, but sanitation is a necessity. Short cutting it is not the best solution. I also am not sure what "empirical" data you are referring to.

To the OP: Get some Starsan. Onestep is really more of a cleaner. It works at first, but Starsan is better and still cheap. Do the same procedure. Store the bucket clean, mix up a batch of starsan in the bucket while brewing. Wet all the surfaces. Finish brewing. Add cooled wort to bucket. I like to put a small amount of starsan in my bucket, add the lid then shake it up to wet all the surfaces. Then I open it when I am ready to add the wort. It really is simple to do properly. Certainly not something to skimp on.
The "empirical" data I'm referring to is 10 years worth of brewing. It turns out that you are technically correct about one step. Who knew? It's all I've ever used. Funny the process I described seems to be the same as yours (except for the starsan vs onestep), who said anything about skimping? The point is that sanitation is actually very simple and quick to adequately do. I may try to do a batch with no sanitation at all, just clean equipment. What's the line on still producing a good beer? 20-1?
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I think we agree more than we disagree here. It can be simple when done properly. As you described your process, I'd agree you are probably taking a slight chance by not using sanitizer. I just look at the small amount of time taken as a worthwhile investment in not introducing any bugs in my beer. Also, since we use plastic, if you do get an infection you will likely, at least that is the conventional wisdom, need to replace your bucket.

Also, I clearly missed that you were the OP. Need to get my eyes checked I guess.

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I disagree. There are things much more important than sanitizing to making good beer(ferm temp control comes to mind). IMO and about 10 years of empirical data, there is actually very little risk of infection. I've never had a spoiled batch and I'm far from overly concerned about sanitation. I think this is one area where many brewers needlessly worry about a threat that is not very likely to cause you any problems.


Ok, I disagree. If you can keep the fermentation temps within the range of the yeast, which is usually a large range, you are going to have drinkable beer. If you get a bug in your brew it's going to suck. The fact you haven't had any problems is a testament to your procedure which I never thought was lacking. I too am a big fan of Starsan. Don't fear the foam!!
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We drink a lot of water in our house, so, when I make my trip to buy a new round of 5 gallon jugs of water, I just grab an extra one to mix up with starsan. (there is always more than 5 gallons in the jugs) So first I measure out the 5 gallons exactly, then mix in the starsan concentrate. I've actually never had a batch go bad according to ph on me, but none the less, I usually replace this about once every 2 months or so, just to be safe.

I always clean my buckets/carboys immediately after use, usually with a little PBW and warm water, rinse, then store upside down after they are dry. On brew day, I just pour the entire 5 gallons into my bucket, put the lid on and shake vigorously, then let it sit. Once I start cooling the wort, I go ahead and give the bucket another crazy shake to get some foam going again, then dump the starsan into a bucket that has my strainer, spoon and floating thermometer in it.

I then put the lid back on the bucket and grab a paper towel, soak that in starsan to cover up the drilled hole and let it sit until I need it. I just made this a regular part of my brewday and it's just habit now.

I have found the biggest key to minimizing issues on brewday is to make sure all my equipment is cleaned really well before it's put away. This way it's just a matter of dipping it back in starsan to give it the treatment it needs.

Having that much starsan solution around just saves me all kinds of hassle. It's easily poured into a bowl for smaller things, then I always have a large amount ready when I keg as well. I just run it through my clean autosiphon from the jug into the keg, then back again. This is the double bonus of sanitizing my autosiphon at the same time of transferring from each vessel.

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