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Old 09-04-2013, 04:17 AM   #11
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Easier option, pitch a pack of Wyeast 3711. 3711 likes it on the cooler side, between 68-75, and will attenuate like a champ. And since the bulk of your fermentation is already over, you should get more of the 3724 character than the 3711.
A big second of this advice.
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:57 PM   #12
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Easier option, pitch a pack of Wyeast 3711. 3711 likes it on the cooler side, between 68-75, and will attenuate like a champ. And since the bulk of your fermentation is already over, you should get more of the 3724 character than the 3711.
So if I can't get the 3724 to finish, pitch a pack of 3711 on top of what I've already got?

I wrapped the carboy in a shirt to insulate it a bit and then with the heating pad on low. I checked it after a couple of days and it's dropped to 1.020 now. Not sure where the point would be that waiting longer would help any, and to just repitch to finish it.
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So if I can't get the 3724 to finish, pitch a pack of 3711 on top of what I've already got?
Yup. 3711 attenuates like a beast. I often joke that you could make a beer out of crystal malt and lactose and 3711 would dry it out. 1.020 is WAY too high for a saison, so pitch some 3711 to try and get your gravity down a bit.
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FWIW, with my 3724 saison, I just swirled the secondary every couple days to shake up the yeast, and they attenuated in a few weeks. I had the carboy sitting a little warm, but probably not much higher than 80.

Just give it time. These yeast like to sit down and take a break every now and then, but they'll get back to work if you tell 'em to. Total fermentation time for my saison was ~5 weeks, and it went from 1.070 to 1.005.

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I wrapped a heating pad around the carboy, followed by 2 layers of big-bubble wrap, and a thick dark towel to keep the light out. I kept my STC-1000 probe in close contact with the carboy wall (under a piece of foam) and set the temp to 32°C. This was a different saison yeast (Danstar) that likes it 90+.

If heating fails to restart in a couple of days, I'd think of 3711. You need a good size starter though...

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If heating fails to restart in a couple of days, I'd think of 3711. You need a good size starter though...
Why do you need a starter? The 3724 has stalled/slowed, the gravity's at 1.020. 3711 should be able to take hold in that. Or would the starter be to accommodate the presence of alcohol and lack of oxygen? I've just never needed a starter for a repitch (admittedly I haven't needed to repitch very often), so I'm curious, is this common?
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You could just rehydrate and pitch some Belle Saison dry yeast. Then you wouldn't have to worry about starters or oxygen or anything. And it's cheaper than liquid. I've heard it gets around 90% attenuation too.

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You could just rehydrate and pitch some Belle Saison dry yeast. Then you wouldn't have to worry about starters or oxygen or anything. And it's cheaper than liquid. I've heard it gets around 90% attenuation too.
I've used it once and agree, very attenuative. Another good choice!
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I really don't know how well Belle Saison likes the alcoholic environment, but worth a try. Yeast is yeast. I used Belle Saison, and it is very nice and attenuates very well, but I did not restart a stuck fermentation with it.
It definitely should be hydrated following the instructions to a T. I hope they fixed those...

The reason to make a good size starter of the 3711, or any other liquid yeast, and pitch that at high krausen is to beat the odds of the hostile alcohol environment you're pitching into.

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I'm going to take a sample again today. If it hasn't moved any further, I'll see if I can find some Belle Saison locally. Failing that, I'm sure one of my LHBSs has a pack of 3711.

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