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Hawgbranch 02-15-2009 03:30 PM

Rye IPA next...Sparge questions...
 
I just ordered the Bee Cave Brewery Rye IPA from Brewmasters. This will be my second AG brew and I am excited. I do have a few questions about this recipe pertaining to my system.
I am using a 10gal Cooler with a false bottom....

I am assuming this recipe calls for a "Batch Sparge" like the Haus Pale Ale. For Ed's Haus Pale Ale I ended up with more pre-boil volume than expected (7gal instead of 6.5gal) and missed my OG a little low.
After mashing should you stir prior to adding the 180 degree water or after or both?
Do you repeat this after adding sparge water? The HPA recipe had it sit with the 175 degree sparge water for 15 minutes. Should I stir after this 15 minutes?

My kit came with a Fly Sparge system but I have yet to use it. Batch Sparging seems so easy but I fear I am leaving some sugar behind somehow, somewhere.

Thanks......

david_42 02-15-2009 04:56 PM

I stir each sparge when I add water, then at 5 and 10 minutes.

ajf 02-15-2009 05:24 PM

You've got the right equipment for fly sparging if you want to, but I wouldn't worry about leaving some sugars behind. I use the same equipment, and only get about 5% more efficiency with a fly sparge. If I ever got used to batch sparging, I suspect the difference would be even less.
As for stirring, you definitely need to stir as you add the water, and David's suggestion for two extra stirs certainly won't hurt, and may help with the efficiency. Just give it a few minutes to settle before vorlaufing.

-a.

Hawgbranch 02-15-2009 08:03 PM

Thanks for the information!!
I'll tell you, Batch Sparging is so easy that I think I will continue with that process for my next few AG batches. The SWMBO is giving me the hairy eyeball about the extra 10gal cooler and sparge gear sitting quietly so it won't be long til I break out the Fly Sparger.

Another thing is I lose a LOT of water during the boil. I had thought about backing down on the boil intensity with my last brew but when it came in a half gallon over (pre-boil) I went ahead and let it rock.
How hard do you guys boil?
The cooker below is very similar to what I have. The burner on the right is slightly bigger than the other and really puts out. The Bee Cave Rye Pale calls for a 90 minute boil. I fear I could lose a lot of water if I don't cut it back some.

http://www.academy.com/images/produc...87-0001-p1.jpg

ajf 02-16-2009 12:02 AM

It's funny you should find batch sparging so easy. I find fly sparging to be much easier (but it takes longer). I guess they are both pretty easy, but the method you are most familiar with is the easiest.
As for boil intensity, I use a good rolling boil after the hot break has subsided, which boils off about 1.5g per hour in my 10g Polarware kettle.

-a.

Denny 02-16-2009 06:15 PM

There is nothing to be gained in batch sparging by letting your sparge water sit after adding it. I simply stir it in, vorlauf, and runoff.

Hawgbranch 02-17-2009 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajf (Post 1135893)
It's funny you should find batch sparging so easy. I find fly sparging to be much easier (but it takes longer). I guess they are both pretty easy, but the method you are most familiar with is the easiest.
As for boil intensity, I use a good rolling boil after the hot break has subsided, which boils off about 1.5g per hour in my 10g Polarware kettle.

-a.

Well, I only have one AG brew under my belt and its a brand new setup. I know I have a lot of learning to do just about my system let alone AG brewing. But time isnt really an issue so I dont mind drinking a few extra cold beers and letting it sparge for an hour.

I think once I get a few under my belt and I know my system a bit better things will smooth out. (Hopefully).

If I am going to Fly Sparge my next AG brew it will be with the Bee Cave Rye IPA (In route.....) and that recipe calls for a batch sparge. So I'll have to see.....

wildwest450 02-17-2009 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denny (Post 1137183)
There is nothing to be gained in batch sparging by letting your sparge water sit after adding it. I simply stir it in, vorlauf, and runoff.

Good to know, because that's how i've always done it.:mug:

ajwillys 02-17-2009 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildwest450 (Post 1138145)
Good to know, because that's how i've always done it.:mug:

I've always let it sit but would prefer to not... anyone else want to chime on this one? Perhaps it should be a thread?

flyangler18 02-17-2009 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajwillys (Post 1138964)
I've always let it sit but would prefer to not... anyone else want to chime on this one? Perhaps it should be a thread?

The hot sparge water only serves to make the sugars soluble so that you can rinse them away easily; all the conversion happens during the rest. A good solid stir and vorlauf a few quarts and you can drain away as normal.


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