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Old 09-08-2009, 06:10 PM   #71
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Kegged my first batch of this tonight. The hydrometer sample was so good, I drank TWO of them. This is by far the best beer I've ever brewed. It is a hop bomb, but great balance. I can't wait to taste this when it is carb'd. My final numbers were:

OG: 1.072
FG: 1.008
ABV: 8.5%

I used Safale 05 yeast for this batch.

I'll be ordering more hops next week for my second batch of this... I plan to keep it as a regular.
How quickly did you hit FG? I also used Safale 05. It is currently about nine days old and my current gravity is at 1.013 (OG was 1.068) and 7.2% abv. I assume it'll slip a few more points, but I doubt it'll get down to 1.008 which is what I need for the targeted 8% abv. Either way, it smells amazing already. I've never had so much hop aroma from a fermenter while this beast was bubbling. My basement smelled like a hop garden.
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:28 AM   #72
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How quickly did you hit FG? I also used Safale 05. It is currently about nine days old and my current gravity is at 1.013 (OG was 1.068) and 7.2% abv. I assume it'll slip a few more points, but I doubt it'll get down to 1.008 which is what I need for the targeted 8% abv.
I was at 1.016 at 5 days, when I did my first dry hop addition.
I didn't check gravity again until I kegged it after 25 days, it was 1.008

It is so good... I'm brewing my second batch tomorrow
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I was at 1.016 at 5 days, when I did my first dry hop addition.
I didn't check gravity again until I kegged it after 25 days, it was 1.008

It is so good... I'm brewing my second batch tomorrow
Awesome. I plan on not checking again until it's kegged in two weeks. I had similar results on my Vortex I clone that dropped like this when using S-05, with the same mash temp as Pliny and also a corn sugar addition too. Thanks for the reply.

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Old 09-10-2009, 02:00 AM   #74
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OK... here it is. The full recipe including the hops additions for Pliny the Elder. This is reposted from the original recipe provided by Vinnie Cilurzo in the July/August 2009 edition of Zymurgy. (You really should subscribe to Zymurgy... it is a good mag!)

NOTE: As several posters have noted, the original recipe in the magazine was scaled incorrectly. AHA confirmed the error in a tech talk email after the magazine was printed. They scaled it for a 5 gallon, instead of a 6 gallon batch. I'm posting the original recipe here, with my proposed modifications to the grain bill noted below. Others have proposed slightly different modifications to the grain bill. You can read the rest of the thread for their suggestions if you would like.

Ingredients:
****ORIGINAL GRAIN BILL (FOR 5 GALLON BATCH)****
11.0 lb Two-Row pale malt
0.5 lb Crystal 45 malt
0.5 lb Carapils malt
0.4 lb Dextrose (corn) sugar
****SEE BELOW FOR A PROPOSED MODIFIED GRAIN BILL****
3.50 oz Columbus* 13.9% AA 90 min
0.75 oz Columbus*13.9% AA 45 min
1.00 oz Simcoe 12.3% AA 30 min
1.00 oz Centennial 8.0% AA 0 min
2.50 oz Simcoe 12.3% AA 0 min
1.00 oz Columbus* 13.9% AA Dry hop 12-14 days
1.00 oz Centennial 9.1% AA Dry hop 12-14 days
1.00 oz Simcoe 12.3% AA Dry hop 12-14 days
0.25 oz Columubus* 13.9% AA Dry hop last 5 days
0.25 oz Centennial 9.1% AA Dry hop last 5 days
0.25 oz Simcoe 12.3% AA Dry hop last 5 days
*Can substitute Tomahawk/Zeus for Columbus

White labs WLP001 California Ale or Wyeast 1056 American Ale

OG 1.070
FG 1.011
IBU's a lot! (90-95 according to recipe)
ABV 8-8.5%
SRM 7

Directions: Mash at 151-152 for an hour. Mash out at 170F and sparge. Collect 8 gallons run off, stir in dextrose, and bring to boil. Ad hops as indicated. After boil, chill to 67F and transfer to fermenter. Pitch 2 packets yeast or yeast starter and aerate well. Ferment at 67F until fermentation subsides, then rach to secondary. Add first set of dry hops and age 7-9 days, then add second set of dry hops. Age 5 more days then bottle or keg.

****MY PROPOSED MODIFIED GRAIN BILL****
As noted above, the original recipe was misprinted for a 5 gallon, rather than a 6 gallon batch. I increased the grain bill by 33% to account for 1) my relatively low efficiency of 65-70% and 2) I started with an 8 gallon boil so that I would account for the extra hop losses for the huge hop bill. I've brewed two batches with the grain bill below and started the boil with 8 gallons each time, and ended up with 6.5 gallons into the fermenter, with an OG of exactly 1.072 each time.
15.0 lb Two-Row (I used Maris Otter)
0.66 lb Crystal 45 malt
0.66 lb Carapils malt
0.5 lb Dextrose (corn) sugar

Thanks to Vinnie for a great beer!

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That hop bill is way different than what I did on mine. No Chinook and no Mash Hops, and quite a bit less dry hopping as well.

How does the recipe compare to the real deal?

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That hop bill is way different than what I did on mine. No Chinook and no Mash Hops, and quite a bit less dry hopping as well.

How does the recipe compare to the real deal?
It should be spot on. It was the official recipe released by the actual brewer. There are also tasting notes somewhere a few pages back in this thread regarding his first batch.
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It should be spot on. It was the official recipe released by the actual brewer. There are also tasting notes somewhere a few pages back in this thread regarding his first batch.
That is the hopping schedule my brother and I used, (separate batches) and we both concur, it's really close. I just got done carbonating mine and now am letting in age for a little while. I think It will get better with a little time, but it is an awesome beer right now.
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It should be spot on. It was the official recipe released by the actual brewer. There are also tasting notes somewhere a few pages back in this thread regarding his first batch.
I ask because this recipe Pliny The Bastid claims to be straight from Vinnie as well.
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I ask because this recipe Pliny The Bastid claims to be straight from Vinnie as well.
The recipe above came directly from Zymurgy, and according to Vinnie is the recipe for Pliny the Elder. I'm not sure, but suspect either the recipe has evolved over time, or the "Bastid" was a variation on the recipe (hence the name). I suspect most (or all) brewers modify their recipes from time to time to account for availability of ingredients. If you check out the Russian River website, you will see they post a bottle-log showing how various batches of their brews have changed over time.
Russian River Brewing Co. Bottle Log

Either way... I'm enjoying a glass now
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Paradoc, et. all, thank you for all the info on brewing Pliny.... I can't wait to try this recipe as I really love pliny. Question : do you guys have a good source for bulk purchase of Simcoe and Columbus hops?
Hopsdirect doesn't seem to sell Simcoe ....though they do sell Columbus whole and pellet though not at the moment. I am a whole hops type-- but Simcoe only seems to only come in pellet form?

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