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Old 01-05-2014, 04:18 PM   #21
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Trust me he will not like it . My cousin is a Bud Light drinker . he says most of the beers taste like rotten fruit in them . flavors from the yeast or hops , who knows . But he did not like the centennial. I think he liked the cream ale and the cream of three crops better .
My brother-in-law is like this. I've had him try every beer imaginable to get him to like something besides Labatts Blue Light. He doesn't like anything. Any hint of hop or malt flavor and he squishes up his face in disgust. The only beer he kinda liked was SN Imperial Pilsner and I can't get that anymore.
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I no longer pander to these knuckleheads. If they are coming to my place I tell them that I have plenty of home brew and they *might* like it - but if you are looking for BMC you might want to stop at the store I usually have some milder beers on hand .. ambers, browns, cream ales, ordinary bitters, but I am not going to bow to their limited taste preference. If my brew schedule is off and I need to buy beer, they know that will not likely be a light American commercial lager.

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Light lagers are tough to do well. They have very little to cover any off-flavors. Since they are lagers, temperature control is even more critical than with ales. It's important to use the proper water (generally, distilled or RO water with a wee bit of calcium chloride), pitch a huge starter at 48 degrees, and hold fermentation temperature at 50 degrees for about 10-14 days before raising the temperature for a diacetyl rest. After the diacetyl rest, it should be lagered at 34 degrees or so for about 6 weeks.

If you can do all of that, you can easily make an American light lager. Bud uses rice, I believe, for their adjunct while Miller uses corn. I prefer the corn version, but others like the rice. Flaked corn and flaked rice are readily available.

The idea is to hop just enough to counter the sweet malt, say, 8-12 IBUs. Use a noble hop for bittering, for the most neutral bittering and "cleanest" flavor.

You want an OG of 1.040ish.

I'd use 20% flaked rice or flaked corn, with 80% US two-row. You can use more for a lighter drier beer, even up to 40% adjuncts.
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Buy Jamil's book on Brewing Classic Styles.

I have a mother that ONLY drinks Budweiser. I always have had a clean batch that tastes good, but there was always too much "flavor" for mom (although dad took care of that batch!).

This year was a huge success. I brewed a batch that was blind tasted to be "better than Bud". I based it on Jamil's light American Lager recipe, but lightened it a bit (lower OG). I used flaked rice.

It was actually way easier than it was made out to be - but I am an anal b@stard...

Fermentation temps are critical, as is a huge starter to dry the beer out, just as Yooper said: She's pretty much right all the time, though
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:16 AM   #24
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Recipe: 01 Lite American Lager TYPE: All Grain
Style: Lite American Lager
---RECIPE SPECIFICATIONS-----------------------------------------------
SRM: 2.0 SRM SRM RANGE: 2.0-3.0 SRM
IBU: 9.0 IBUs Tinseth IBU RANGE: 8.0-12.0 IBUs
OG: 1.038 SG OG RANGE: 1.028-1.040 SG
FG: 1.006 SG FG RANGE: 0.998-1.008 SG
BU:GU: 0.239 Calories: 124.8 kcal/12oz Est ABV: 4.1 %
EE%: 70.00 % Batch: 5.00 Imp gal Boil: 5.83 Imp gal BT: 90 Mins

---WATER CHEMISTRY ADDITIONS----------------


Total Grain Weight: 8 lbs 7.8 oz Total Hops: 0.60 oz oz.
---MASH/STEEP PROCESS------MASH PH:5.40 ------
>>>>>>>>>>-ADD WATER CHEMICALS BEFORE GRAINS!!<<<<<<<
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
6 lbs 12.6 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (1.1 SRM) Grain 1 80.0 %
1 lbs 11.2 oz Rice, Flaked (1.0 SRM) Grain 2 20.0 %


Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 9.19 Imp qt of water at 159.8 F 149.0 F 90 min

---SPARGE PROCESS---
>>>>>>>>>>-RECYCLE FIRST RUNNINGS & VERIFY GRAIN/MLT TEMPS: 72.0 F/72.0 F
>>>>>>>>>>-ADD BOIL CHEMICALS BEFORE FWH
Fly sparge with 4.38 Imp gal water at 168.0 F

---BOIL PROCESS-----------------------------
Est Pre_Boil Gravity: 1.032 SG Est OG: 1.038 SG
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
0.60 oz Hallertauer [4.05 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 3 9.0 IBUs


---FERM PROCESS-----------------------------
Primary Start: 31 Aug 2011 - 7.00 Days at 44.0 F
Secondary Start: 07 Sep 2011 - 7.00 Days at 50.0 F
Style Carb Range: 2.50-2.80 Vols
Bottling Date: 14 Sep 2011 with 2.7 Volumes CO2:
---NOTES------------------------------------

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Brewing Classic Styles
Recipe: 01 Lite American Lager TYPE: All Grain
Style: Lite American Lager
---RECIPE SPECIFICATIONS-----------------------------------------------
SRM: 2.0 SRM SRM RANGE: 2.0-3.0 SRM
IBU: 9.0 IBUs Tinseth IBU RANGE: 8.0-12.0 IBUs
OG: 1.038 SG OG RANGE: 1.028-1.040 SG
FG: 1.006 SG FG RANGE: 0.998-1.008 SG
BU:GU: 0.239 Calories: 124.8 kcal/12oz Est ABV: 4.1 %
EE%: 70.00 % Batch: 5.00 Imp gal Boil: 5.83 Imp gal BT: 90 Mins

---WATER CHEMISTRY ADDITIONS----------------


Total Grain Weight: 8 lbs 7.8 oz Total Hops: 0.60 oz oz.
---MASH/STEEP PROCESS------MASH PH:5.40 ------
>>>>>>>>>>-ADD WATER CHEMICALS BEFORE GRAINS!!<<<<<<<
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
6 lbs 12.6 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (1.1 SRM) Grain 1 80.0 %
1 lbs 11.2 oz Rice, Flaked (1.0 SRM) Grain 2 20.0 %


Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 9.19 Imp qt of water at 159.8 F 149.0 F 90 min

---SPARGE PROCESS---
>>>>>>>>>>-RECYCLE FIRST RUNNINGS & VERIFY GRAIN/MLT TEMPS: 72.0 F/72.0 F
>>>>>>>>>>-ADD BOIL CHEMICALS BEFORE FWH
Fly sparge with 4.38 Imp gal water at 168.0 F

---BOIL PROCESS-----------------------------
Est Pre_Boil Gravity: 1.032 SG Est OG: 1.038 SG
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
0.60 oz Hallertauer [4.05 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 3 9.0 IBUs


---FERM PROCESS-----------------------------
Primary Start: 31 Aug 2011 - 7.00 Days at 44.0 F
Secondary Start: 07 Sep 2011 - 7.00 Days at 50.0 F
Style Carb Range: 2.50-2.80 Vols
Bottling Date: 14 Sep 2011 with 2.7 Volumes CO2:
---NOTES------------------------------------

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Frankly, I wouldn't waste time on him. If YOU want to brew a nice light beer, that's different. Chances are you won't be able to make a light lager style beer that will please him. In that case, you better be prepared to finish off whatever you make yourself!

Light lagers are tough to brew and the recipe here that claim to be similar re usually still a bit heavier and more flavorful. Let him buy his BL if he wants to save money or just drink that. There isn't anything wrong with BL if that's what he likes.

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