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Old 03-09-2009, 12:12 AM   #1
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Beersmith OG estimate 1.067 my OG= 1.065


ghrrrrrrrrrrr

very pissed.
hit every temp, ecept mash, 157 vs 154.... added a bit of cooler water, 154 after about 20 mins. held the whole 60 mins.

not happy at all. i blame the crush
LHBS crush is usually better the B3 is, but this time i noted much less flour, i should have had them crush it again.

i need a barley crusher damnit!

now is not the time unfortuanately.... still have $800 a month electric bills another month or two though, and EFF the LHBS!!!!

anyway, i will get one, and eliminate that from my possible problems with efficiency.
1.065.........damnit!

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Old 03-09-2009, 12:19 AM   #2
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let me get this straight.....your whining about 2 lousy points?

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Old 03-09-2009, 12:19 AM   #3
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:Thats nothin' I just brewed a wit with a target of 1.049 and got 1.039! Came to the conclusion that I had a faulty thermometer and did not hit my mash temps. It is a crappy feelin'. You were pretty close though I would not worry about that too much.
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Old 03-09-2009, 12:20 AM   #4
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1.067 to 1.065 is around 2.5% efficiency difference. I wouldn't be too upset with that.

I doubt many would be able to tell the difference between the two pints, one at 1.067 and one at 1.065 OG.

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Old 03-09-2009, 12:22 AM   #5
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Beersmith's estimates are just that, estimates. You have no way of knowing what the real maximum sugar potential of the grain was. Being a natural product, there will always be variations that you simply cannot predict. There will also be minor variations in the malting, in the age of the grain, etc. All of these will have an affect on the potential sugar.

I would honestly consider missing my expected OG by 0.002 a pretty good brew day.

The more important question would be what your efficiencies were.

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Old 03-09-2009, 12:25 AM   #6
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WELL, WHEN I STARTED THE POST, BEERSMITH SAID 1.078!!!!!!!!!

now, whyen i look back, it says 1.067. now i sound like a bitch and whatnot.

guess i should delete?

anyway, why did it go from 1078, to 1067???

wtf?

im kinda lost about that.

here is my grain bill, can someone with actual points/lb respond? cus, i still get 64.4% brewhouse out of beersmith, and i am not happy about it! ( i got no less than 75 the last 5 brews)


12 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 82.76 %
1 lbs 8.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 10.34 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 6.90 %
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (90 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 16.2 IBU
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (Dry Hop 10 days) Hops -
0.50 oz Magnum [14.00 %] (90 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 24.1 IBU
0.50 oz Cascade [7.20 %] (Dry Hop 10 days) Hops -
0.50 oz Cascade [7.20 %] (90 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 12.4 IBU
0.50 oz Magnum [14.00 %] (Dry Hop 10 days) Hops -
0.50 oz Magnum [14.00 %] (60 min) Hops 20.5 IBU
0.50 oz Cascade [7.20 %] (15 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (15 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
1.00 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs us05 (safeale) Yeast-Ale



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Est Original Gravity: 1.067 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.065 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.015 SG Measured Final Gravity: ??????????
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.83 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: ??????
Bitterness: 73.2 IBU Calories: 294 cal/pint
Est Color: 10.6 SRM Color: Color


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Mash Name: Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge Total Grain Weight: 14.50 lb

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Old 03-09-2009, 12:27 AM   #7
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All you guys that are obsessed with efficiency need to figure it out: it isn't about getting the highest efficiency. It's about getting the SAME efficiency CONSISTENTLY, so that your brews turn out the way you want when you formulate your recipes. It's about the beer, not your mash efficiency.

And OP- if you are really going to get this worked up into a snit over 2 gravity points, maybe you should find a new hobby, something you won't obsess over. This is supposed to LOWER your blood pressure, not raise it.

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All you guys that are obsessed with efficiency need to figure it out: it isn't about getting the highest efficiency. It's about getting the SAME efficiency CONSISTENTLY, so that your brews turn out the way you want when you formulate your recipes. It's about the beer, not your mash efficiency.

And OP- if you are really going to get this worked up into a snit over 2 gravity points, maybe you should find a new hobby, something you won't obsess over. This is supposed to LOWER your blood pressure, not raise it.
nah, i would have even posted! see, last i looked @ beersmith was yesterday, and the og estimate was 1.078, thats why i was pissed. after posting my thread, i look back, and it is 1.067!

i would have been happy!


and to the point of your post, that's exactly why i posted, im pissed to go from 80%, back down to 64% is all. when i was posting is when i noticed beersmith was only 2 points above my actual og, and i was like WTF????
i have been building this recipe for 2 weeks! i got robbed to get to the LHBS for other reasons, so i was very happy to brew today, and spent alot of extra time getting everything right, than i missed OG from 1.078 to only 1.065 and was pissed, then i started this thread, and beersmith is now at only 1.067??? wtf?
makes no sense to me honestly...
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the formula in my sig will get you real close to beersmith values from the recipe ingredients list.

14.5 x 36 / 5g(i'm guessing here)=104.4
104.4 x 64%=66.9
104.4 x 75%=78.3

i'm gyessing you changed your efficiency in BS and that change in turn affected your estimated OG

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nah, i would have even posted! see, last i looked @ beersmith was yesterday, and the og estimate was 1.078, thats why i was pissed. after posting my thread, i look back, and it is 1.067!

i would have been happy!


and to the point of your post, that's exactly why i posted, im pissed to go from 80%, back down to 64% is all. when i was posting is when i noticed beersmith was only 2 points above my actual og, and i was like WTF????
i have been building this recipe for 2 weeks! i got robbed to get to the LHBS for other reasons, so i was very happy to brew today, and spent alot of extra time getting everything right, than i missed OG from 1.078 to only 1.065 and was pissed, then i started this thread, and beersmith is now at only 1.067??? wtf?
makes no sense to me honestly...
OK, sorry I went off, then. When I plug your numbers into Beersmith, I too get 1.078 at 75%. I think you hit a wrong button somewhere in your Beersmith file between yesterday and today............

And, yes, I think crush was your problem, since you say you hit all your temps, etc.....
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