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Old 09-04-2009, 07:44 PM   #1
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Default New here and first AG experience!

I have been reading this forum for a few weeks trying to learn as much as I can. Before last night I had done 3 extract kits. So I decided to make my own recipe and AG at the same time.

Some background on me is that I have been making wine since I was 12 with my father and average about 40 gal. of wine a year for the last 4. We harvest grapes from my cousins vineyard, crush/de-stem, and then press them ourselves. A group of us get together to do this and as a group make an average of 200 gal.

So I am new to brewing, but not new to sanitizing and cleaning equipment.

I felt ready to make some beer from scratch (well almost, someday I may try to malt my own grain at least once). Here is the recipe I used/made.

I used Beer tools to help me, but I didn't find the recipe generator until I had made this. It took a long time to get it right and I had to change a few things in the end.

This is the mix that is now fermenting, the original recipe was for a 5 gal batch, I now know I need to boil longer or hotter if I am going to go from 7 gal to 5 gal. I added light brown sugar to bring it back into spec. Tell me what you think.

6 lbs. American 2-row
2 lbs. Crystal Malt 40°L
1 lbs. American Black Patent
3 lbs. Weyermann CaraHell®
1 lbs. Molasses
2 lbs. Light Brown Sugar
.6 oz. Centennial (Pellets, 9.5 %AA) boiled 60 min.
.5 oz. Mt. Hood (Pellets, 5.00 %AA) boiled 30 min.
.5 oz. Mt. Hood (Whole, 5.00 %AA) boiled 5 min.


Original Gravity Predicted 1.070 for 72% efficiency Actual 1.069
Terminal Gravity 1.018 (This is what I am shooting for)
Color 30.90 °SRM
Bitterness 26.1 IBU
Alcohol (%volume) 6.8 %

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Old 09-04-2009, 07:48 PM   #2
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What temp did you mash at? With all the sugar and molasses, it may finish lower than you predict. OTOH, that a lot of carahell and crystal, so it may finish high and sweet. Or if you're lucky, the overload of carahell and crystal will balance out the overload of sugars! And 1 lb. of black patent will likely give it an ash try kinda taste, sorry to say. Where did you get that recipe? Have you ever tasted a beer using it before?

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You went a bit overboard with specialty malts. Starting with simpler recipes as a base will give you a better idea of what the malts add to the beer. I'd suggest a SMaSH beer (single malt & single hop) or an otherwise very simple recipe for your next batch, and then you can add or take away to get the flavor profile you want.

Did you have any trouble mashing or did it all go well? Looks pretty good at 72% eff. What method of mashing did you use?

Hope it turns out well...the sugar may indeed lighten it enough for the specialty malts to be palatable.

Feel free to post recipes on here prior to brewing or ordering...there is some great advice on these forums.

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If you are going to use a pilsner malt, do a 90min boil. Or use 2-row malt. pilsner malts tend to contribute DMS, (Vegetative or cooked cabbage flavor) if you boil for less than 90min.

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Ya we will see I figured go big or go home with a first try and I can adjust for the next try. I did a two batch sparg and the mashing went just as planned. I planned on 7 gal and got it, but I didn't plan on ending up with 6 gal after the boil so next time I am trying to get to 5 gal instead.

I love a heavy beer so this may be good for my taste and not so much for others. According to Beer Tools it is 99% like a Baltic Porter so we will see.

Thanks for the input, I do plan on doing a real simple recipe next. My brew shop sells grain for $1.79 regardless of the type so the specialty types are very tempting.

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Ah ya I didn't use the australian pilsner as it wasn't avalible I did use an American 2-row pale malt. I missed that typo.

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Ya we will see I figured go big or go home with a first try and I can adjust for the next try. I did a two batch sparg and the mashing went just as planned. I planned on 7 gal and got it, but I didn't plan on ending up with 6 gal after the boil so next time I am trying to get to 5 gal instead.

I love a heavy beer so this may be good for my taste and not so much for others. According to Beer Tools it is 99% like a Baltic Porter so we will see.

Thanks for the input, I do plan on doing a real simple recipe next. My brew shop sells grain for $1.79 regardless of the type so the specialty types are very tempting.

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Whoa, 1 lbs of black patent? I hope you like your porters smoky! Specialty malts like Black Patent tend to impart a lot of flavour in very small amounts.

And as an FYI, Weyerman likes to give their products arbitrary names to make them seem different and special, but the CaraHell is just a light crystal malt (I think it's a crystal 20L), and is really more of a specialty grain than a base grain.

I can guarantee you one thing... it'll be like no other beer you've had before Let us know how it turns out!

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The carahell came into play because they didn't have a German Munich. Looking at the numbers the CaraHell seemed to be similar and the guy at the shop said he thought it was. Although he wasn't really that much help and I am not sure he really knows that much about brewing. They make kits there all the time and I think he understands the process but not the ingredients all that much.

Thanks for your help everyone, I am looking forward to this beer. It is fermenting away very well now.

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Carahell is not a good replacement for Munich. Vienna would be the closest, I suppose, although it is much lighter. Munich and Vienna add a maltiness to the brew, whereas crystal malts add more of a sweetness and other flavors, depending on the type. The terms can often be confusing, as maltiness is sweet. I suppose you could call maltiness more "aromatic" than sweet...



Anyway, how's it smell!?

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