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This has a foreshadowing of becoming one of those threads that grows and gains momentum. Seventeen pages in 4 weeks.

Is anyone familiar enough with Google docs to set up a spreadsheet/database ...source, price, quantity/recipe, others?

I'm in groups at work, but I've never set one up myself.

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This has a foreshadowing of becoming one of those threads that grows and gains momentum. Seventeen pages in 4 weeks.

Is anyone familiar enough with Google docs to set up a spreadsheet/database ...source, price, quantity/recipe, others?

I'm in groups at work, but I've never set one up myself.
I'm going to bump this thread-- i see it incredibly ironic, and unfortunate, that this was the final post.

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Has anyone suggested a Berliner Weisse? You could get 5lbs of pale grain for less than 10 bucks and you're done! Use a couple spoons of the raw grain, and a 1 pint sugar water starter of 1.030 gravity to grow some Lacto and Brett, and pitch that. No purchase of hops or yeast necessary. You dont really need to boil long either so you save on energy costs.
I'm interested. How long for the boil? How long do you let the starter sit?

I'd like to do this one, also curious if it would render a primary or keg "sours only" after that.
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Looking back at this thread, it's really not that hard to make 5 gallons of many brews for $10 ($2/gal), excluding the cost of fuels.

My LHBS sells 2-row at $0.78/lb in bulk, specialty grains at $1.71/lb, Wyeast at $6.50, White Labs at $7.25, dry packets $3-4 each and I buy my hops in bulk at $8-12 per lb. Using my own purchase prices and inventory, BeerSmith tells me the last 7 batches cost (alphabetically sorted):

*Black Pearl Porter - 10.50 gal - $31.52 - $3.00/gal
Centennial Blonde - 10.50 gal - $21.23 - $2.02/gal
Cream of Three Crops - 10.50 gal - $24.78 - $2.36/gal
Haus Pale Ale - 10.50 gal - $28.95 - $2.75/gal
*Kona Fire Rock Clone - 11.50 gal - $38.40 - $3.34/gal
Reaper's Mild - 10.50 gal - $27.38 - $2.60/gal
*Stone Ruination Clone - 10.50 gal - $46.98 - $4.47/gal

Cream of Three Crops comes out the clear winner, but it's lacking in flavor to me. I'm kegging EdWort's Haus Pale Ale today, but it already looks super promising to me. If I decide to keep it always on tap, I'll buy a full sack of Vienna (19% of grist), bringing the price of that grain down 37%. That would make 10.50 gallons $25.85, or $2.46/gal. The same could be said for buying a full sack of Chocolate malt for Milds.

If I didn't live in CA, my grain costs would be substantially lower, driving both recipes well below $2/gal.

* these recipe used 1 Wyeast or White Labs liquid yeast, plus a few cents of all-grain canned starter. All other recipes used two packets of dry yeast, rehydrated.

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Taking it a step farther, look for styles that are low in ABV or use few specialty malts. Less hoppy brews using cheaper noble hops save addition cash. Look at the price of retailer's kits for a hint as to which styles cost the least to brew:

My LHBS's 10 cheapest all-grain kits:

Belgian Table Beer
Mild
Pale
Pale
Pale
Porter (includes honey)
Pale
Stout
Pale
Brown

Midwest's 10 cheapest kits:

Pale
Stout
Red
Mild
Porter
Brown
Stout
Mexican
Scottish Light
English Bitter

Northern Brewer:

English Pale
Mild
American Wheat
Red
American Pale
Cream
Light lager
Scottish
Pale
Amber

Edit: If you include the cost of bulk EC-1118 and grocery store apple juice on sale, it's hard to beat the cost of Apfelwein boosted with 2# of table sugar per point ABV. At $4 gal and $.60/lb, you can make a 5 gallons of 9% hooch for about $22. Again, cheaper during sales.

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I routinely make 5 gallon batches of good sparkling hard cider at about 6.1% ABV for $12.84, not including the cost of CO2.

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Now sure if Cider counts I buy Apple Juice when it's about $1 / half gallon. So I bought 11 for $11 and made 5.5 gallon batch of Hard Cider. Plus I already had a 4lb bag of Brown Sugar and used that. Mine came out at 10.35% ABV. Now to be honest though, I bought liquid yeast this time around which was about $6, plus I dry hopped it.

So about 4.5 Gallons of Hopped Cider
1 Gallon of Apple Jack

probably cost me around $20. This summer I'm going to hit up my Apple Orchard though and see if I can get some cider cheaper. Also, next time I'm going to make 11 gallons at a time, and make a 2L starter out of the liquid yeast to make it cheaper and dump it into 2 buckets.

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Looking back at this thread, it's really not that hard to make 5 gallons of many brews for $10 ($2/gal), excluding the cost of fuels.

My LHBS sells 2-row at $0.78/lb in bulk, specialty grains at $1.71/lb, Wyeast at $6.50, White Labs at $7.25, dry packets $3-4 each and I buy my hops in bulk at $8-12 per lb. Using my own purchase prices and inventory, BeerSmith tells me the last 7 batches cost (alphabetically sorted):

*Black Pearl Porter - 10.50 gal - $31.52 - $3.00/gal
Centennial Blonde - 10.50 gal - $21.23 - $2.02/gal
Cream of Three Crops - 10.50 gal - $24.78 - $2.36/gal
Haus Pale Ale - 10.50 gal - $28.95 - $2.75/gal
*Kona Fire Rock Clone - 11.50 gal - $38.40 - $3.34/gal
Reaper's Mild - 10.50 gal - $27.38 - $2.60/gal
*Stone Ruination Clone - 10.50 gal - $46.98 - $4.47/gal

Cream of Three Crops comes out the clear winner, but it's lacking in flavor to me. I'm kegging EdWort's Haus Pale Ale today, but it already looks super promising to me. If I decide to keep it always on tap, I'll buy a full sack of Vienna (19% of grist), bringing the price of that grain down 37%. That would make 10.50 gallons $25.85, or $2.46/gal. The same could be said for buying a full sack of Chocolate malt for Milds.

If I didn't live in CA, my grain costs would be substantially lower, driving both recipes well below $2/gal.

* these recipe used 1 Wyeast or White Labs liquid yeast, plus a few cents of all-grain canned starter. All other recipes used two packets of dry yeast, rehydrated.
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Taking it a step farther, look for styles that are low in ABV or use few specialty malts. Less hoppy brews using cheaper noble hops save addition cash. Look at the price of retailer's kits for a hint as to which styles cost the least to brew:

My LHBS's 10 cheapest all-grain kits:

Belgian Table Beer
Mild
Pale
Pale
Pale
Porter (includes honey)
Pale
Stout
Pale
Brown

Midwest's 10 cheapest kits:

Pale
Stout
Red
Mild
Porter
Brown
Stout
Mexican
Scottish Light
English Bitter

Northern Brewer:

English Pale
Mild
American Wheat
Red
American Pale
Cream
Light lager
Scottish
Pale
Amber

Edit: If you include the cost of bulk EC-1118 and grocery store apple juice on sale, it's hard to beat the cost of Apfelwein boosted with 2# of table sugar per point ABV. At $4 gal and $.60/lb, you can make a 5 gallons of 9% hooch for about $22. Again, cheaper during sales.
Interesting and informative, thanks!
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I think it cost me like 50cents in electricity to brew a 5.5 gallon batch with my electric setup.

I found valuebrews kits and ingredient prices to be the best I've encountered as of yet.... and shipping is very reasonable too.... 5 gallon all grain kits start at like $14! Even with shipping its like $20 for me. Combined shipping makes multiple items cheaper... I bought my specialty grains, hops and yeast packets there and use my local lhbs for stuff I don't stock and my sacks (which have a huge markup but hey I got to support the local shop they are very helpful and convenient...)

http://www.valuebrew.com/collections/ingredient-kits

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I think it cost me like 50cents in electricity to brew a 5.5 gallon batch with my electric setup.
I wish I could get close to that on my electric setup. I'm in California and my brewing is "on top of" all other electrical use in the house so I figure it costs a little over $.30 per KWH. I haven't metered my rig, but I run a 4500 W element in my HLT for probably 1.5 hr total (doubles as a herms) and the 5500 W element in the BK maybe an hour. I figure between this and running my well pump I'm at $3.50 - $4.00 per batch. Still, no worse than what I used to spend for propane. I suppose I could use wood; I have tons of "free" wood.
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