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Old 05-01-2012, 01:17 PM   #1
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I was drinking a Green Flash Rayon Vert yesterday and realized that the "off" flavors I've been getting in my pale ale tasted almost exactly like this belgian pale ale style. Any ideas what would cause my APA recipe to taste like that? If I recall, the recipe was a SMASH with 2 row and cascade hops, not sure if I used Notty yeast or US-05 for it but if I had to guess it was probably Notty. Any ideas?

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Old 05-01-2012, 01:20 PM   #2
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I'm no expert, but I was asking the same thing a few weeks ago. I think my fermentation happened too hot/too fast.

Slowed my next batch down with the swamp cooler technique. Not finished yet, but I measured and sampled before dry hop and things seem better.

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Old 05-01-2012, 01:31 PM   #3
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Bet you used us05. I've had this happen to me twice with us05 at low temps - almost a Belgian phenolic yeast character that I could not place. I'm conducting "experiments" with us05 and hoping to get better results at higher temps with it, especially because when us05 is on its great. I'm just having issues getting it to be consistent in my brew house.

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Bet you used us05. I've had this happen to me twice with us05 at low temps - almost a Belgian phenolic yeast character that I could not place. I'm conducting "experiments" with us05 and hoping to get better results at higher temps with it, especially because when us05 is on its great. I'm just having issues getting it to be consistent in my brew house.
Interesting. I am using US05 in an IPA right now and fermenting it in the low 60's. I guess I should try to raise it up a bit
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I had the same problem happen to me... turns out I didn't clean the keg well enough between my Saison and my APA. Lesson learned.

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When fermented at 60F or less US-05 can give a distinct fruitiness, almost citrusy. I have found that when I ferment APAs with US-05 that low, all the malt is masked by the hops and citrus of the yeast. I now ferment my APAs around 64F-66F

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Rayon vert is a bretannomyces beer. If your beers taste like that, you have brett in your fermentors. Time for a bleach bomb of everything you own. This is not a flavor created by US-05. Rayon Vert is one of the funkiest beer's I've ever had (love it, BTW)- it's got a classic brett character.

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Its not the Brett taste that I am referring to though, as far as I can tell

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Bet you used us05. I've had this happen to me twice with us05 at low temps - almost a Belgian phenolic yeast character that I could not place. I'm conducting "experiments" with us05 and hoping to get better results at higher temps with it, especially because when us05 is on its great. I'm just having issues getting it to be consistent in my brew house.
I tend to agree. I fermented a simple blonde (9lbs 2-row, 0.5lb. aromatic, all centennial) with us-05, repitch, and it was in the low 60's the entire time...came off with banana aroma and a somewhat fruity flavor. I thought I pitched too high (under 80 but probably around 75)...reading this I wonder...
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It's hard to say what the deal is, and as for the Brett issue, this flavor only comes from using us05. The batches before and after in the same bucket didnt have this issue... So no boogey men in my fermenters.

Anyhow, I'm having a real issue with us05 lately, so much so that if the next few batches I use with it don't turn out the way I want, I'm done with it. I may go to using either Nottingham dry for all American and British Ales or S04 or WlP007 as a house yeast. I know a lot of people love us05 and I was one of them, but it needs more scrutiny that's for sure.

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