Thanks and yes it was the longest sparge of my life. I don't know what I am doing wrong but it takes me forever to collect the 6 gallons or so I need even in my prior batches. I am going to have to do some trouble shooting before my next brew. I have a 10 gallon rubbermaid with a steel braid. This was my 3rd all grain batch, the first 2 went pretty well, this one was much tougher. I missed my targeted gravity by a lot and had very poor efficiency. On a brighter note the beer really smells like pumpkin pie and tastes like it which is what I wanted and I had a nice yeast starter for it. Oh and using a refractometer was fun.