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Old 10-08-2012, 10:54 AM   #11
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Ah, gotcha, yeah, that makes sense.

Well, it didn't rain for 3 months here over the summer, so I hope that it will be fine . Testing now, so we shall see..! Gonna be a real PITA all round, but quite like the idea of malting my own, so we shall see...



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Old 10-08-2012, 01:07 PM   #12
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Just spitballing ideas here, would it be possible to not malt the barley, but add enzymes seperately during the mash thereby eliminating the chore of malting?

amylase enzyme...$10 / lb ???
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:54 PM   #13
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Just spitballing ideas here, would it be possible to not malt the barley, but add enzymes seperately during the mash thereby eliminating the chore of malting?

amylase enzyme...$10 / lb ???
http://www.perfectbrewingsupply.com/products/Amylase-Enzyme-%252d-1-lb..html
Well, that's way out of my field of expertise - the whole reason I am planning to malt myself is because I don't have access to a lot of that specialist homebrew stuff..

But you figure with that sort of thing that more people would be doing it if it worked?
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Unfortunately it's disappeared from the web, but the Craftbrewer Radio podcast out of Australia (anyone remember it) did a multiple part series on home malting grain. And they I know they went into a whole explanation about feed barley, and how to determine if it was maltable or not. I recall some sort of water test, where you added a handful of the grain to water and however it behaved (floating or sunk, but I don't recall which meant which) determined if it was suitable or not.

Someone somwhere might still have the podcast on a harddrive. It was the oldest brewing podcast having started on Australian Radio IIRC back in 2001. There was a ton of great info in the shows and on the website. Graham sanders pulled the plug and took everything down, what 3 years ago? You can find some of the articles on the wayback machine inputting "oz.craftbrewer.org" but I just checked and nothing about the home malting podcasts.

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Old 10-08-2012, 02:15 PM   #15
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Unfortunately it's disappeared from the web, but the Craftbrewer Radio podcast out of Australia (anyone remember it) did a multiple part series on home malting grain. And they I know they went into a whole explanation about feed barley, and how to determine if it was maltable or not. I recall some sort of water test, where you added a handful of the grain to water and however it behaved (floating or sunk, but I don't recall which meant which) determined if it was suitable or not.

Someone somwhere might still have the podcast on a harddrive.
Ooer, never heard of that - my grain sinks like a stone, yet here it says,

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Start with a large bucket that can handle the grains plus enough water to float all of the grains. Add water until all of the grains are floating, and let the grains sit in the water for 2 hours.
Errr... ha, mine definitely ain't floating, nowhere near.

However, there might also be some confusion with this:

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A simple method of determining the overall level of modification of a batch of malt is by means of the "sinker" test. In this test 50 kernels of malt are shaken into a pan of water. After 10 minutes the number of horizontally floating kernels is counted; undermodified kernels either sink or float vertically in the water. At the very minimum at least 35 or 70% of the kernels should float. With good malt, nearly all of the kernels should float with only two or three kernels sinking or floating vertically.
So something isn't right there, these two texts seem contradictory... Hmm, again, looks like the only way is to try...
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Yeah, I wish the Aussie stuff was still available, it really was a great explanation.

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got plans for the plastic BAR? running into a shortage of plastic.


sounds like growing a specific variety is best. Is that feasable?

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex98

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Here's a series of videos on malting feed barley..


Good luck..

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Here's a series of videos on malting feed barley..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC2HqcQR6PQ&feature=fvwrel

Good luck..

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Thanks, will watch that later when I finish "work". Think I came across that video, but I am more of a instant info kind of guy, always get impatient watching video Still, this looks helpful.

Re: the thing about barley floating, there's nothing floating but chaff in the pic in this thread...
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Many times there is not a difference between feed barley and malt barley. Generally, Malting Barley sells for a premium. This is especially true when the barley crop is not as good and the barley needed for malting is not in great supply, the brew houses are willing to pay the premium for the better barley. However, in years when all of the barley is good, it is hard for the growers to get the premium price for malt barley. The malting houses buy feed barley -- it is of a quality that meets their malting needs, but they buy it a feed barley prices.

So, the real difference between malt barley and feed barley is price and quality. When the quality of all barley is high, all that is sold is feed barley, and the malt houses use that. When quality is low, the malt houses are willing pay the premium.

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