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Old 04-21-2014, 12:47 PM   #351
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I just tried this yesterday and through my research, there were two schools of thought about adding extra grain to compensate for the technique used. It seemed most did indeed favor adding extra grain because the efficiency is reduced. Threads here will back up the fact that you can get 70-80% efficiency using this technique but that it begins to drop as you get into higher gravity beers. That said, I did not plan for no sparge until brew day and went with what I had adding DME at the end to get to my near-target OG. I am already planning a second batch of my 1.080 beer and to compensate for the low OG, I added more grain and to compensate for the lack of MLT space (10 gallons max) I removed 1.5 lbs of base grain and opted to include DME it's place.


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Question for the no-sparge crowd, which I have recently joined.

How are you guys setting up Beersmith 2? Similar to BIAB?
Basically what I did, and I believe this is a pretty solid idea, is I first went to the mash profiles and copied medium body (what I needed) BIAB. If you are a BIAB brewer then the next step is something you have to remember you did because it will change things for all BIAB profiles.

I changed the name of the profile to No-Sparge Medium body. I went to Options>Advanced and changed the grain absorption for BIAB to .96, which is what I have for traditional batch/fly sparging method. This is the option that changes all BIAB grain absorption so you have to remember that you did it if you're finding your volumes are higher than expected. BIAB method will result in the grain absorbing less water I believe, so just keep that in mind.

Going back to my mash profile on the recipe, I removed "mash out" and I reduced the step time to 60. I read that people who use no-sparge method will maybe step for 75-90 minutes. I have not done that myself. Much of the conversion happens in the beginning so I was unsure if the additional time was worth my while. Someone can weigh in on that.

I did check off "adjust mash vol for deadspace" and input my MLT deadspace, which I had already measured. I also ensured my MLT temp was the average temp that I usually use it at. Adjustment for deadspace is unchecked in the BIAB method for obvious reasons.

Basically, these are the few adjustments I made and found BIAB profiles to be the closest to no-sparge method.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:10 PM   #352
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Thanks for the tips!

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Old 04-22-2014, 12:19 PM   #353
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Just did my first no sparge batch about a week ago. I crushed fine, mashed for 90 minutes, and I also reserved 12 quarts for a mashout. According to Beersmith, my mash efficiency was 80.6%. That's what it is when I batch sparge. Now, the beer in question is a 1.044 English Bitter and, with my 10 gallon tun, I couldn't go much higher than 1.044 without adding DME, but I love session beers and brew a lot of them. I took a gravity reading and sample of the beer last night and it was absolutely fantastic. I think this is going to be my 'go to' method for low gravity session ales. For me, it makes water adjustments a lot simpler, too.

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Old 04-22-2014, 04:18 PM   #354
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Old 04-25-2014, 04:33 PM   #355
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Tried this for the first time with a Kolsch yesterday. Normally with my batch sparge technique I get 70% efficiency (like, oddly exactly that number every time). I ended up doing a nearly no sparge, as my mash tun is 10 gallons and I wanted to have 8 gallons pre-boil, ending up needing to sparge ~1 gallon after the initial infusion.

Anyway, broke 70% for the first time and got 78% efficiency. I'll be doing this again in the future!

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Old 04-27-2014, 06:40 AM   #356
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Blichmann caught on and built a system to do this very thing:
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Old 04-28-2014, 01:26 PM   #357
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One of my recent brews was a no sparge brew. Also used FWH only, the laziest brew I've done so far. Next time I'll mash overnight, that should give me about the shortest brew day possible.

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Old 06-27-2014, 03:37 AM   #358
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For those of you who are using this method, I'd like to have your feedback --

How are you using my method -- e.g. BIAB, like my setup, single big mash tun with 100% mash volume, etc.

Are your efficiencies matching up with the spreadsheet I posted? How is your grain absorption volume holding up to my .12 gal per pound assumption?

I'm putting together a presentation on this method (and some other neat stuff) for NHC 2015, and your feedback would be very useful to me.

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I haven't used your spreadsheet, but I will say that I use a grain absorption assumption of 0.13 gal / lb and it seems to be very accurate. A slightly different crush could affect it a little, too, but what I get from my LHBS is consistent. I use a 10 gal round cooler.

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