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Old 09-12-2012, 05:20 PM   #1
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I am attempting a Sam Adams Irish Red clone this weekend. Their website states that they use Kent Golding, Fuggles and Hallertau. I'm ordering from brewmasterswarehouse.com and used their Brew Builder program to build the clone. I'm having trouble figuring when to add the hops to get the recommended 25 IBU's. The program shows I can add 1oz K.G. @ 60 minutes and 1 oz of both Fuggles and Hallertau @ 12 mins...OR...I can do 1oz of both KG and Fuggles, and .5oz of Hallertau @ 30 mins. And there are any number of amount/time combinations that will get me 25 IBU's. But should I be using one hop for bittering and other's for aroma/flavor? Any recommendations will be appreciated as I'm kinda new at this! If you were wondering, the other ingredients are 6lbs Briess caramel 60 and 5lbs Briess pale malt.

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Old 09-12-2012, 05:58 PM   #2
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Whoa there! 6lbs of caramel?

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Old 09-12-2012, 06:00 PM   #3
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I haven't tried Sam Adams version but if you want it "to style" Irish Reds are malt forward so I'd go for the longer boil and avoid any late additions.

My Irish Red is usually 1 90 m addition & 45m / 30m at the latest.

http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style09.php#1d

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Old 09-12-2012, 06:02 PM   #4
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6lbs of caramel 60 is a whole lot and 5lb pale malt is very little. You should probably have about 10lb pale malt in there. You should have a little bit of roasted malt for color, maybe some toffee-type malt, no flavor or aroma hops, and possibly some adjuncts.

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Old 09-12-2012, 06:04 PM   #5
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Ha! yeah....i kinda thought that might be a little much....but the calcluations work...at least in the Brew Builder...
OG 1.058,
FG 1.015,
ABV 5.63
IBU's 25
SRM 29.09 (This appears Dark for a RED, but this is what the S.A. website shows.)
Using S-04 yeast

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Old 09-12-2012, 07:51 PM   #6
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Ha! yeah....i kinda thought that might be a little much....but the calcluations work...at least in the Brew Builder...
OG 1.058,
FG 1.015,
ABV 5.63
IBU's 25
SRM 29.09 (This appears Dark for a RED, but this is what the S.A. website shows.)
Using S-04 yeast
"Working" in software and tasting good aren't the same thing. An SRM of 29 is ridiculously dark for an Irish Red. If you want it to actually be red, you should aim for something closer to 14-16.
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:49 PM   #7
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SA must mean EBC not SRM. 30 SRM is nearly black.

DO NOT
use 6lbs of crystal in this or any beer. it will be cloyingly sweet. drop it to around 1lb ( 2lb max) and use a few oz of roasted barley to get you the rest of the color, around 14-16 SRM like danielbt said

in regards to the hops. theres an endless combination that will get you 25 IBUs, but while its the same bitterness, it has varying flavor/aroma. the 60min add gives no flavor/aroma just bitterness, the 30min gives a lil flavor & softer bittness, and the 12min gives alot of flavor & some aroma and little bitterness. 2oz of hops @12mins is too much late hops for an Irish Red, your 2nd example is better

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I'm not sure how red the Crystal 60 will be. Crystal 120 gives a nice red.

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Old 09-15-2012, 12:38 PM   #9
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Well...then I probably just wasted about $30....i did not know this, but when you "create" a brew with the brewbuilder software, and then purchase said recipe, brewmasterwarehouse.com mixes all the grains together....i was going to create a smaller batch and back off on the caramel 60 had the grains been bagged seperately....but now i can either brew it, or throw out the grains

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you dont need to throw out the grains or brew it.

you can used the mixed grains in other recipes. you know the ratio of 2row to caramel so it should be easy to use the grain for another brew.

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