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Old 02-03-2009, 03:06 AM   #1
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Default help needed... my (new) LHBS crush

i have had horrible conversion on the last two batches i have brewed... after doing my research around the boards, i think the crush might be the problem. here is a picture of the left-over i had tonight.

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Old 02-03-2009, 03:12 AM   #2
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I think 'crush' is a generous term describing that.

That grain needs to be FAR more broken down than that. Have a look at this article on the wiki, it will show you what you're looking for in a decent crush.

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That looks more like Kashi breakfast cereal than crushed grain for beer...

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I think 'crush' is a generous term describing that.

That grain needs to be FAR more broken down than that. Have a look at this article on the wiki, it will show you what you're looking for in a decent crush.
figured as much... thanks. so is it bad etiquette to ask your LHBS to stop clowning around? in reality, my crush looks like 90+ mil.
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doesnt even look cracked at all

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figured as much... thanks. so is it bad etiquette to ask your LHBS to stop clowning around? in reality, my crush looks like 90+ mil.
I wouldn't put it quite like that. But if they aren't willing to give you a better crush, I'd look for alternatives. Either get yourself a corona-style or roller mill or find a different LHBS (or an online supplier).
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Old 02-03-2009, 02:41 PM   #7
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At the very least, I would have your LHBS run the grain through their mill twice. If any of the grains remain whole or uncrushed I would not be satisfied. Mashing grain that is intact is a waste of time and money.

As Brad said above, your LHBS is not really "clowning around". A marginal crush like that will likely never result in a stuck sparge, therefore satisfying customers in another regard.

I would look into getting your own mill.

coronal style....$30 - $40
roller mill.........$80 - $120

Either of the above will give you better results than where you are at now, and will allow you to purchase bulk base malt on the cheap.

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Old 02-03-2009, 07:23 PM   #8
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At first glance from the title I thought you had the hots for someone working at the LHBS and were using a high school term.

Anyway, some pieces in that crush reminds me of Honey Smacks...you know, with the "Dig 'Em" frog???

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Old 02-04-2009, 12:14 AM   #9
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I have the same problem with my LHBS. I was coming up pretty short on my OG. I then used AHS for an order and overshot the OG by a little (not a bad thing in my book). Do you think a LHBS would be offended by asking them to run the grain through twice (I wouldn't really care if they did, just curious) and do you think it would help much?

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I stopped buying most of my grains from the LHBS because of this issue, rudeness and the fact that they routinely ran low on common grains such as Belgian Pils. I don't like buying online, but customer service is king.

N.B. Many homebrewers don't have the space to mill their own grains. I'm sick of bad business people complaining about online competition. If you don't want to provide superior service, then don't be shocked when your customers leave.

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