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FourSeasonAngler 12-06-2012 05:27 PM

Help with my water
 
Ok, brewing an APA this weekend (Zombie Dust clone), and want to make sure I have decent water to start with before I start heating my HTL. For the record, I have been brewing all grain batches of red ales, IPAs and IIPAs for months with this water and have no reason to think, as of yet, that I will have a problem with a different style.

Water profile:

pH 7.8
Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) Est, ppm 350

Electrical Conductivity, mmho/cm 0.58

Cations / Anions, me/L 6.8 / 6.6 ppm
Sodium, Na: 35
Potassium, K: 16
Calcium, Ca: 61
Magnesium, Mg: 22
Total Hardness, CaCO3: 244
Nitrate, NO3-N: 0.1 (SAFE)
Sulfate, SO4-S: 13
Chloride, Cl: 12
Carbonate, CO3: < 1
Bicarbonate, HCO3: 335
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3: 275

I have a water softener in my house, but I usually bypass it for brew day just because I have heard other brewers in my area use this water straight from the tap with good success.

I am not opposed to adding some softened water or store bought water to my mash or sparge water.

Here is the grain bill:

11 gallon batch, 12.8 gallons pre-boil volume

22 lbs 12.0 oz Canadian 2-Row Malt (1.9 SRM) Grain 1 82.5 %
2 lbs Munich 10L Malt (10.0 SRM) Grain 2 7.0 %
1 lb Caramalt (12.0 SRM) Grain 3 3.5 %
1 lb Caramel Malt 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 4 3.5 %
1 lb Melanoidin Malt (26.5 SRM) Grain 5 3.5 %

Does anyone have any suggestions on what additions/water treatments I should consider to change pH or mineral content?

jgaepi 12-06-2012 05:50 PM

My water is horrible to say the least. So I use RO water from the supermarket. For my area it was suggested to me as the best and only option. That being said, for IPA/APA, I was told to just add one tsp of gypsum for extract or two teaspoons to HLT water for all grain. For 5g batches. Nothing more, nothing less.

jgaepi 12-06-2012 05:51 PM

Looking back at your post, so for your batch of 13g of HLT water, I would add 5 tsp of gypsum to RO water.

mabrungard 12-06-2012 10:02 PM

You could brew with that water, but the alkalinity is high and that would require a very acidic grist like a porter or stout with crystal malts. Beside the alkalinity, none of the other ions are crazy high, but some are higher than I would prefer. Diluting the water to reduce the Na and Mg content is a consideration. That would also reduce the alkalinity.

Acidification is an alternative for neutralizing the alkalinity. That could bring the water the rest of the way to usefulness!

Visit the Bru'n Water site for more info.

erikpete18 12-06-2012 10:53 PM

Your water does look a little hard, but if you've been having luck with it, it doesn't necessarily mean that anything needs changing. Do you normally check your mash pH? If you're getting that in the right ball park, then you're apparently able to overcome the hardness. If your pH is still a little high, you could just consider adding a little sour malt to bring it down a hair.

If you want to start with water additions, though, you could always add some Ca back, in the form of CaSO4 for your APA. That will increase your Ca levels a little which should help to keep the pH lower, and also increase your SO4 levels, which should help bring out the hops. Adding Ca to control pH isn't the greatest option since a lot depends on the mash environment, but if you're able to check your pH it will give you an idea of how well that worked. The other option would be to partially dilute with some RO water to decrease the hardness and add back enough CaCl and CaSO4 to keep your Ca levels above 50 (better for the yeast).


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