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Old 04-18-2009, 06:37 AM   #1
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OK, I'm starting my Oktoberfest tomorrow and I've been thinking about using a FWH with it. I've been reading everything I can find about it but it's still not clear to me which addition I should move forward to the FWH. I've read some folks who say to move your late additions forward to the FWH. Others seem to say that since you get 10% more IBUs than a 60 minute boil, to move your bittering addition forward to a FWH. So I'm confused.

My hop schedule currently looks as such:

60min - 1oz Tettang
20min - 1oz Tettang
10min - 1oz Hallertauer

I've put all that into beersmith and it guesstimates that I'll have 31 IBUs. If I change my last addition, the Hallertauer, to a FWH, Beersmith says I'll have 40 IBUs! That seems like a lot for an Oktoberfest.

If I just make the 60min addition a FWH instead, that keeps the calculated IBUs about where I want them and makes the most intuitive sense to me since the hops will be in the boil for a full 60 minutes anyway but most of the advice I read seem to say otherwise.

So...help?

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From what I understand, and do, is replace the full boil hop (bittering) as the fwh. I.e. Like your second case. Anyone do different?

Edit: that way you get that hops flavors in the hot wort, that isn't yet boiling, and then get bittering as well

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You should get a 10% ibu increase (debateable) AND flavor from a FWH. Bitterness tends to be a bit more mellow, and you get flavor and some aroma. I haven't done this with whole hops so aroma may also be more predominate than I noticed

Since you are using tett for bitter and flav, I'd use beersmith etc to figure out your FWH and use enough to get you the same IBU's.

Your going to have to wing it till you get a feel for FWH. I don't think anyone really completely understands how/why FHW'ing actually works.

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Well, I just used the FWH to replace the 60 min boil addition. We'll see how it went in September!

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I thought they worked more like a 20 minute addition but don't hold me to that. In addition, I don't think beersmith treats it that way, It just seems to consider it being there longer and increasing IBU's.

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Woohoo! another CO front-ranger brewing during the "spring storm"! Only drizzle in Arvada today, had to boil in the garage...

I did an ESB today, FWH with 1 oz. Goldings, then added NB at 60 & 50 minutes, followed by more Goldings every 10 minutes to FO. (BU:GU = 0.84). I like to add hops throughout the boil as it lends a nice hop profile, in addition to FWH. Dry hop, too. Get as much hop flavor as you can, I say!

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I thought they worked more like a 20 minute addition but don't hold me to that. In addition, I don't think beersmith treats it that way, It just seems to consider it being there longer and increasing IBU's.
There's nothing in beersmith to calculate aroma or flavor anyway.
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All I know is that my beers come out better when I FWH. Sometimes I skip the bittering and Do a FWH; other times, like tonight, I do both. I've noticed that I don't need to dry hop if I FWH.

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Everything I have read, and done, only moves up the late addition hops to FWH. It does NOTHING to the bittering hops. It doesnt replace anything, when I brew, or from tjhe research I have done. It simply MOVES the late addition hops to FWH. I have never read any FWH article that states to remove the bittering addition with FWH. In fact, everything I have read also states that you should be using LOW AA and/or NOBLE hops in the FWH addition. IF this is so, then that precludes the use of many "bittering" hops.

Noble hops are GREAT for FWHing, so take those Hallertau and move them up to FWH, leave the rest the same, IMHO. It may say you have 40IBU, but I can pretty much guarantee it wont taste like it. The flavor of a FWH is much different than a typical bittering addition.

In most brewing software you can adjust the utilization for FWHing, in ProMash I have it set equal to a 20 minute addition. If i don't, it gives me some crazy IBU figure and my beers are never that bitter. They are full of hop flavor, but not that bitter.

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+1 to The Pol. FWH typically uses your flavor (or 20 min. addition) as FWH. HOwever, there's no reason to limit FWH to only low AA or noble hops. I've done many FWH batches with high alpha American hops and it works great. Although tests I've had done show FHW to yield 10% more IBU than an equal 60 min, addition, the beer doesn't taste as bitter. For that reason, I also set Promash to equal a 20 min. bitterness from FWH.

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