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Old 12-03-2013, 06:50 PM   #21
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My understanding is that 1.5-2 packs is pretty much the average "correct" pitch for most dry yeast, but you're better off with starters anyway, in my book.

I used s04 for my first two newbie AG batches, underpitched AND fermed too hot. Not a forgiving strain, those beers were so "English" they invaded the Falklands.
I think that is more "back in the day". I've been doing extracts and partials for years and have never had yeast problems with only one package. I always hydrate these days but have done allot of just dump it in before I knew better. The only yeast problems I've had was too fast an initial fermentation creating unexpected heat. Resulted in a fuggles fusal (that's what I called it). Pure instant headache
I think that was t-58.
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Old 12-03-2013, 09:56 PM   #22
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Man you guys rock, see when I researched I was going to do a starter but they said it was more than enough. I usually use liquid, but I figured I would try dry and save $3.

I also am going to pay attention to my mash temps when i brew this weekend.

As for the stout, I am going to just let it ride, keg it up, and enjoy a low Abv java stout lol

Thanks for all the help and insite, I guess I will do more reading about all grain

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Old 12-03-2013, 10:03 PM   #23
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I thought of amylase too but I bet by the time he gets some and uses it, something that eats starch better than saccro will move in and take over. Just my theory.

Amylase at this stage would probably result in super attenuation, too, which I think is probably not what you want from this beer. But if you are desperate to save this batch it is an option.
At least if it over-attenuates, you could mix it with something else. A sort of nasty black & tan. Just kidding. It won't be totally nasty.
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I use 1 packet of us-04 in 5 gallon batches all the time. Some of these batches are higher gravity as well. Your fermentation might not be as clean as using 2 packets (although I think it is negligible)... but its not gunna stop at a fg of 1.042. I have had way bigger problems with liquid yeast (says 100 bill but by the time you get it... who knows?).

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Old 12-03-2013, 11:29 PM   #25
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Liquid yeast has a much lower cell count per package, it's strictly for propagation. Of course, they won't advertise it that way.

Underpitching by 30-50% won't wreck your beer, but if you do that on an English yeast 10f (internal 15f at peak krausen?) over max temp your beer will be crazy stressed and taste dirty. I know, I've made that beer. It was still beer. I liked it a little even, but it wasn't "good" and it's not the flavor that yeast is best suited to produce.

Try that on US-05 and Notty and it'll still have funk, but S-04 hates stress. It's fast and pretty tough, you just have to be nice to it or it will taste like badger junk.

But all this is non sequitur because OP definitely had a mash problem, not a yeast problem (probably too hot).

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I use 1 packet of us-04 in 5 gallon batches all the time. Some of these batches are higher gravity as well. Your fermentation might not be as clean as using 2 packets (although I think it is negligible)... but its not gunna stop at a fg of 1.042. I have had way bigger problems with liquid yeast (says 100 bill but by the time you get it... who knows?).
Bloom is right on the money.

The dry yeast we buy these days is very predectable and even with only one package (which is all I use, have never doubled up) I have never had 04 poop out on me.
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I have 2 batches of beer gping right now with US-05. For both of them I didnt do a starter I just dumped in the dry yeast and I only used one packet

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welp let it sit till last night in the secondary, got it down to 1030, so now its in the keg, still wicked taisty.

Thanks for all the advice

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I mashed in at 178 and it sat in the 155-158 range, and i sparged with about 176* ( my thermometer was a bit screwy that day so thoes are more round about)
Mashing in with water around 178F sounds like the issue here. Did you first add that water too the cooler and let the temp come down to around 165F before adding the grain or was the grain sitting in a cold garage requiring a really high strike temp?

In any case, make sure you have a decent digital thermometer that is verified as pretty accurate by testing icewater slurry and boiling temps. +/-5 degrees can be the difference in a mash.
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