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07-23-2009, 07:45 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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first all grain recipe question (how much grain)
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So there are lots of recipe's but how do i know if i should buy more grain then the recipe says because i don't know what my efficency will be roughly because i have never done one? Sorry if this is a stupid question, i have got so much information on all grain my head is starting to hurt and i question if it is worth the trouble, my extract batches taste pretty darn good. Thanks for reading
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07-23-2009, 07:52 PM
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Location: Marysville, Washington
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On my first AG brew, I added an extra lb of 2-row to somewhat account for the efficiency I thought I would get. I was expecting around 50-60% based on what others posted. I ended up way higher than that. I would shoot your grainbill for around 65-70% efficiency or so.
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07-23-2009, 08:03 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Canton, MI
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Relax, it's not difficult at all. You could get some DME just in case. I always thought AG was so complicated, till I saw this video on YouTube:
YouTube - Easy All Grain Brewing - Batch Sparge Method
Good luck with AG! 
Last edited by Scooby_Brew; 07-23-2009 at 08:26 PM.
Reason: screwed up that youtube link, thx seigex!
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07-23-2009, 08:12 PM
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Location: Corona, CA
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What's funny is this is the same video I watched that made me jump to all grain... wonder if he trolls these forums.
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Primary: Iron Horse Oatmeal Stout (4th Inf Div)
Secondary: EdWort's Apfelwein
on tap #1: :(
on tap #2: Rootbeer
Last edited by seigex; 07-23-2009 at 08:49 PM.
Reason: No prob, glad I could help! Yours looks better anyways with the inline youtube clip!
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07-23-2009, 09:30 PM
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How much grain, you ask?
Why, all grain, of course!
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In Kegs - Barley Wine, Apfelwein, Wild BlackBerry Wheat, Coffee Oatmeal Porter
Gone - so many :(
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07-23-2009, 09:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WorryWort
How much grain, you ask?
Why, all grain, of course!
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WorryWort, have you been sipping from your gravity samples in your fermentation tank a little today? Honestly, you should wait until its kegged/bottled. Or at least invite me over when you do.
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PP-ASEL Cessna N5167F
"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived."
- General George S. Patton, Jr
On Deck: ???
Primary: Iron Horse Oatmeal Stout (4th Inf Div)
Secondary: EdWort's Apfelwein
on tap #1: :(
on tap #2: Rootbeer
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07-23-2009, 10:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by seigex
WorryWort, have you been sipping from your gravity samples in your fermentation tank a little today? Honestly, you should wait until its kegged/bottled. Or at least invite me over when you do.
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Today no. Today it's just unfermented sweet-wort with vodka.
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In Process - Russian Imperial Stout, Nelson Sauvin Rye IPA, Mild No.3
In Kegs - Barley Wine, Apfelwein, Wild BlackBerry Wheat, Coffee Oatmeal Porter
Gone - so many :(
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07-25-2009, 01:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WorryWort
Today no. Today it's just unfermented sweet-wort with vodka.
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I never thought of that. Now I know what to do with my hydrometer sample after the boil. Before it was just too sweet to pleasurably take down. 
Back on topic, I would go one of two ways. If my kettle was large enough, I would estimate a 60% efficiency. If I got 75%, I would make a larger batch and leave some behind in the kettle.
If my kettle wasn't very large, I would assume a 70-75% efficiency and buy enough extract to complete the batch in the event that I got 60%.
I've heard Jamil say that with up to 30-40% extract, you won't be able to tell the difference (assuming you have a quality extract). I plan to always have extract available in case I miss my target efficiency.
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Primary: Not until fall :(
Bottle: English Barleywine, Bird Dog Brown (ABA), Skull Splitter IV APA
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07-25-2009, 01:48 AM
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Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
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I would recommend you just add a pound like previously suggested. Then RDWHAHB. I was all nerves about going all grain for months before I actually made the jump. Now I can't believe I waited, I'm doing things with beers that I onll dreamed of before. Things like adding 3# of rye to a pale ale, or a Munich SMaSH. You will be fine. Enjoy the experience.
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07-27-2009, 10:47 PM
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Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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What I have been doing for my first few AG batches, is doing a longer boil and target the recipe for the high end of the OG range I am looking for.
This was instead of hitting a low OG with my crappy efficiency, I usually hit the middle range (although my final volume is a little bit low of course).
I figure once my efficiency gets better, if ever, then all I would need to do is add water after the boil if the OG goes to high. And from then on go back to a regular boil time.
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