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MarcusKillion 11-05-2012 11:44 PM

expensive ag ?
color me crazy but I spend about 20 to 30 bucks for partial and no boil kits and make some very good beer . Some I do add in a some grains for extra flavor . How ever I just did my first all grain . 47 bucks ! 5 gallons . took me half a day to do it instead of 1 hour . It was a nut brown .
So I thought AG was supposed to be cheaper . Hmmmm.

Okay one more thing on AG . volume of water was way too much in my opinion , 7.88 gallons and took me 1 hour and 20 minutes to boil down to 5 gallons at a full hard boil . Hope that did not affect the bittering hops too much.
Also used a large cooler for tun and when I poured in my 165 water it dropped to 130 so I had to drain some off several times and get it to boil and pour back over grain to get temp up . Hope the slight time it was very hot does not ruin my beer. Think I will switch to a igloo beverage cooler instead of the ice chest as it is smaller diameter and should not loose so much heat when adding in water.

so any comments ? Especially on cost of grain . did I just use a high cost recipe ?

9 pds pale malt
1 pound caramel malt
1 pound oats
.50 victory malt
.25 chocolate malt
1 oz fuggles
1 oz goldings kent
2 packs nottingham

keeping in mind that i had to buy 1 pound of each malt .

WoodlandBrew 11-05-2012 11:49 PM

All grain brewing is much less expensive for me. About three quarters the cost because I save my yeast from one batch the the next so that doesn't factor in. There are a number of other advantages as well like control and consistency.

Cost per gravity point:
DME 11.3 cents
LME 10.8 cents
barley malt (at 70% efficiency) 7.0 cents. Even cheaper if you buy a 50lb bag.

Yooper 11-05-2012 11:52 PM

Well, the no-boil kits are definitely the cheapest way to go. But I didn't like the quality. If you're totally satisfied with the quality, you probably won't save money by going AG unless you can get in on some bulk grain buys and mill your own grain.

That said, $47 for a 5 gallon batch is outrageous. You doubled the cost of yeast, as you didn't need two packages, but that is only about $3 "extra".

Since I pay for grain at less than $1/pound (except for specialty grains), that recipe you listed would cost me about $19. It would actually be less, as I don't usually buy hops individually, and buy them by the pound. But if you're buying them individually they are often $2-3 an ounce.

But the hops are the same cost no matter what kind of brewing you do (except for those prehopped kits). The biggest cost savings comes from buying grain, which is cheaper than DME. DME is $12 or so for three pounds, and you need two packages for a 5 gallon batch. Grain is cheaper than that. 9 pounds of base grain would equal about 5 pounds of DME, so the costs there would be $20 for the extract, and $7 for the grain. That's a $13 savings. The rest would all be the same.

You either got totally ripped off on the grain, or something else isn't right in your $47 batch.

Hex23 11-05-2012 11:55 PM


Originally Posted by MarcusKillion (Post 4561699)
keeping in mind that i had to buy 1 pound of each malt .

I presume you don't have an LHBS available? I realize that rounding up is a fact with ordering ala-carte online, but my LHBS will take a recipe and mix/grind all the right amounts. Still $47 sounds really high. Shop around for better grain prices.

As far as having to remove wort mid-mash and boil, that should not be a problem, because it is alot like decoction mashing.

huntingohio 11-05-2012 11:58 PM

I agree all grain is super cheap, DME at my lhbs is around $5 a pound as apposed to 2 lbs of 2 row [what my normal pale alle uses] bein less than $4
It would be 75% of that if I bought a 50 lb bag but I think im going to wait till income tax time to do it since I need a new mill and quiet a few more fermenters

sketerbuck 11-05-2012 11:58 PM

I run a LHBS and this is a 25-30 dollar recipe. Do you know how much you paid per item.

weirdboy 11-06-2012 12:00 AM

The last $40+ AG batch I made was a huge double imperial IPA with over a pound of hops in it. Most of my batches cost far less than that.

bottlebomber 11-06-2012 12:01 AM

You got totally raped on that one man.. For 47 dollars I could brew a 10 gallon batch of barleywine. Try Brewmasters Warehouse if you don't have a LHBS, the prices are good, AFAIK he still does flat shipping unlike some of the others are doing now, and his crush is great so you shouldn't have to over sparge to get fair efficiency.

b-boy 11-06-2012 12:09 AM

Did you include your shipping in that cost?

JRems 11-06-2012 12:18 AM

That is way too much. I usually buy whole sacks and split sacks of specialty grain. That recipe would cost me about $14. It would cost $11 if I used washed yeast.

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