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**earwig** · 10-06-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny

Come on, you know neither statement is true. It's simply a choice of techniques and one works as well as the other if done correctly. My efficiency is usually in the 83-87% range. It takes me less equipment than when I fly sparged, it takes less time, and it minimizes the possibility of tannin extraction. But it's a choice I made, just like you made the choice to fly sparge. Now, I know if a lot of people who have switched from fly to batch sparging and never looked back. It's as much a personal choice as how you like to cook or what movies you want to watch.

Buy why would anyone want to fly sparge if it is pointless? Why would the equipment still exist? I don't know anyone who just likes their brewing to take an extra hour.

**sgraham602** · 10-06-2012, 09:35 PM

my next purchase will be a grain mill! I'll be paying closer attention to my sparge volumes. Thanks all.

**pannell77** · 10-06-2012, 09:35 PM

i batch sparged this morning and got 83% efficiency, 1.5 qt/lb mash ratio, 90min mash at 156deg. Bought all my grains from austinhomebrew.com and had them mill everything.

**bottlebomber** · 10-06-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by earwig

Buy why would anyone want to fly sparge if it is pointless? Why would the equipment still exist? I don't know anyone who just likes their brewing to take an extra hour.

Because some people feel that it is better, and so of course the market is going to respond to the needs of potential customers. If everyone suddenly decided that you needed 3 different peelers to properly peel a carrot, they would make those too. Basically it seems like Denny is taking to non-offensive road and saying that it is just a matter of preference. If you prefer to use the fly sparge method and spend an extra hour on your brew day then that it your right. Just know that there are people that have already cleaned up their gear by the time you're making your first hop addition and are getting the same efficiency doing it.

**earwig** · 10-07-2012, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bottlebomber

Because some people feel that it is better, and so of course the market is going to respond to the needs of potential customers. If everyone suddenly decided that you needed 3 different peelers to properly peel a carrot, they would make those too. Basically it seems like Denny is taking to non-offensive road and saying that it is just a matter of preference. If you prefer to use the fly sparge method and spend an extra hour on your brew day then that it your right. Just know that there are people that have already cleaned up their gear by the time you're making your first hop addition and are getting the same efficiency doing it.

Yes, and you're basically calling anyone who fly sparges dumb.

**bottlebomber** · 10-07-2012, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by earwig

Yes, and you're basically calling anyone who fly sparges dumb.

Not what I said though is it. They just haven't yet come to understand that you can get just as good results in much less time. Only when you know that you can do just as well but choose not to do you approach stupidity in my book, but that's still just a matter of preference.

**earwig** · 10-07-2012, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bottlebomber

Not what I said though is it. They just haven't yet come to understand that you can get just as good results in much less time. Only when you know that you can do just as well but choose not to do you approach stupidity in my book, but that's still just a matter of preference.

haha those 2 dudes who worked at northern brewer must have heard this before... yet they still fly sparge when brewing all grain. You think their stupid. It's cool lol. There are probably 1000s of brewers that have heard this and still fly sparge... what dumbasses.

Mobeers · 10-07-2012, 06:12 AM

This is starting to get exciting! Please continue gentlemen.

**bottlebomber** · 10-07-2012, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mobeers

This is starting to get exciting! Please continue gentlemen.

Nah I'm done. If he wasn't going to take it from Denny Conn he sure isn't going to take it from me.

t_stout · 10-07-2012, 06:53 AM

To be honest I just DON'T GET why fly sparging takes longer. I do a double batch sparge (no mash out, 10 minutes rest after each sparge addition is added, vorlouf every time) and it takes a while. 15 mins total for vorlouf, 20 mins total for sparge rests and prolly 20 mins to collect runnings: over 1hr total. I dont fly sparge b/c I only have one kettle and my mash tun is rectangular. Why is fly sparging considered to be the longer process of the two? Does it just take a really long time to collect the runnings (ie do you throttle down the valves really slow)? TIA!