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Old 01-18-2007, 04:18 AM   #21
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"Blaine? He sounds like an appliance."



er...name that quote?

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Old 01-18-2007, 11:56 AM   #22
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it costs considerably more in energy to brew an all grain batch... need more fuel and more water to boil, and cool it down. now you can recoop some of your energy by saving the cooling water, but i still drop way more than 20 bucks a batch when i factor in energy consumption.

anyhoo, it's a hobby and a source of pleasure and better drinking beer. you still can't beat twelve bucks a thirty pack for swill, if you want to do the math...

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Old 01-18-2007, 12:23 PM   #23
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it costs considerably more in energy to brew an all grain batch... need more fuel and more water to boil, and cool it down. now you can recoop some of your energy by saving the cooling water, but i still drop way more than 20 bucks a batch when i factor in energy consumption.

anyhoo, it's a hobby and a source of pleasure and better drinking beer. you still can't beat twelve bucks a thirty pack for swill, if you want to do the math...

True that. I suppose one could just run all the btu calculations..ugh hehe. The true reason I went to AG was because it offers me the chance to use the freshest form of malt (processing any food product reduces freshness in general) and a greater degree of control over the process in general. Plus it is even more fun, imho. There are quite a few more things you can tweak *tweak* *tweak* . So I guess in general from this discussin, is there is more to the argument of extract vs. AG. Not that extract is bad! Extract beers can and do win competitions.
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Old 01-18-2007, 12:27 PM   #24
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The time factor is definitely something to keep in mind.

I could do an extract batch on a weeknight, no problem.

I have tried doing an AG batch on a weeknight and it is definitely problematic.

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i agree the all grain is more hands and gives you more parameters you can control. it is also more satisfying to me. i left the extract brewing after about six months of brewing.

i don't consider costs anymore. i don't think i'll ever come out ahead when compared to just buying mass produced beers. i don't think homebrewers can even approach the massive scale you need to brew at to make it 'cheaper,' but it's not because of cost that i brew my own...

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i don't consider costs anymore. i don't think i'll ever come out ahead when compared to just buying mass produced beers. i don't think homebrewers can even approach the massive scale you need to brew at to make it 'cheaper,' but it's not because of cost that i brew my own...
I think this is not an apples to apples comparison, since homebrewers typically brew a product that is much more comparable to microbrews or imports than to typical macro-produced beers.

A typical micro runs about $7 a sixpack. Thats about $63 dollars for 5 gallons (9 sixpacks).

If you brew "esoteric" styles like belgian beers, you're arguably saving a ton of money, since it'd cost a fortune to purchase 5 gallons of comparable beer.
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w00T! great point cweston, i hadn't considered that. now to see if the equation works on swmbo..

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w00T! great point cweston, i hadn't considered that. now to see if the equation works on swmbo..

It must! hehe
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er...name that quote?

Can't remember the exact person, but it is from the Gunslinger "trilogy" that Stephen King wrote. Not a huge King fan, but I used to check the bookstores every week for the next installment on that one. "BRILLIANT!"
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I don't consider the cost of the brew. I do it because it's a great hobby, I enjoy it, and I get something drinkable (usually) as a result. I made the move to AG but I still do extract kits when I want to play with a new style, do an experiment, or just do a quick brew to get some in stock.

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