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Old 05-21-2011, 06:16 PM   #11
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On the down side I don't have a drill so I hand cranked all 18lbs of grain and I'm typing this with my left arm because I can't feel my right. seriously, I underestimated how much work that was going to be.
I don't care what anyone says, hand cranking a mill is hard work. I always use a drill. I tried to hand crank the mill when I first got it and I quickly decided to use a drill.
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I bought a barley crusher last year and threw the handle away after about 2 lbs. I am a firm believer in power tools.

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It's the bees knees. I'll never go back to milling dusty ass grain.
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I hear you. It also helped me jump 5 points in eff due to cranking down my mill. I now have my Monster set at .030 and could go tighter I think. The husks come out almost whole. You can see why commercial breweries do it.
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From my understanding, if you've got the grain wet enough its gunking up the rollers, its too wet.

Really you mist, wait, mist, wait...the grain doesn't ever feel 'wet' or even 'damp' so it won't stick.

I went on the Boulevard tour, and their setup sprays the malt as it falls into the mill hopper. Pretty sweet.

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Old 05-23-2011, 09:20 PM   #17
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Do you tighten up your grain mill when using conditioned malt?
I did. I am running at 25 mil on my MM3. Awesome crush.

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From my understanding, if you've got the grain wet enough its gunking up the rollers, its too wet.

Really you mist, wait, mist, wait...the grain doesn't ever feel 'wet' or even 'damp' so it won't stick.

I went on the Boulevard tour, and their setup sprays the malt as it falls into the mill hopper. Pretty sweet.
I have seen "misting" conveyor belts between the grain silos and the grist silo (before crushing). I wonder how much that really helps efficiency or sparging in a commercial setting where they have much better mills and continuously stirred mashes with huge falsebottoms?

Also, my experience has been that I PREFER to condition the night before. You can apply more water than what Kai has recommended (he recommends about 3 oz per 11 lbs) and it will be much more evenly distributed if you keep it in something like a cooler or closed vessel so the moisture and evenly distribute. Hulls get nice and fluffy that way.
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I have thought about getting a mill, and a big reason why is to try conditioning. IMHO I get a nice crush from my LHBS, or at least nice enough that a 150-200 dollar investment in a mill is off-putting. Really convenience and ability to condition is about the only reason I'd get one.

Do any of you that do conditioning experience better extraction efficiency? How about flavor? What other benefits are some of you seeing that you like? What about stuff you don't like?

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I have thought about getting a mill, and a big reason why is to try conditioning. IMHO I get a nice crush from my LHBS, or at least nice enough that a 150-200 dollar investment in a mill is off-putting. Really convenience and ability to condition is about the only reason I'd get one.

Do any of you that do conditioning experience better extraction efficiency? How about flavor? What other benefits are some of you seeing that you like? What about stuff you don't like?
Efficiency compared to LHBS? Yes. Efficiency compared to doing the crush myself on the same mill? Only a little. Getting a reliable and trustworthy crush from batch to batch? Hell yeah.

For some folks, though, the biggest benefit is in the filtering capability of the grain bed (and although I haven't tested this theory, I am guessing it helps conversion complete more quickly especially if you tighten the gap). The bigger and fluffier the hull output is the better your grain bed will be as a filter and the fewer rice hulls you'll have to add for things like wheats and ryes.

You don't have to spend $200 on a nice mill. You can get a barleycrusher with 7# hopper for $115+shipping, IIRC, just as one example. Plus you can buy in bulk, which is where the savings really start piling up.
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Efficiency compared to LHBS? Yes. Efficiency compared to doing the crush myself on the same mill? Only a little. Getting a reliable and trustworthy crush from batch to batch? Hell yeah.

For some folks, though, the biggest benefit is in the filtering capability of the grain bed (and although I haven't tested this theory, I am guessing it helps conversion complete more quickly especially if you tighten the gap). The bigger and fluffier the hull output is the better your grain bed will be as a filter and the fewer rice hulls you'll have to add for things like wheats and ryes.

You don't have to spend $200 on a nice mill. You can get a barleycrusher with 7# hopper for $115+shipping, IIRC, just as one example. Plus you can buy in bulk, which is where the savings really start piling up.
Its actually the opposite, conditioned grain is less effective as a filter. The light fluffy grain allows for easier flow so you reduce your chances of a stuck sparge but you need to recirculate for a lot longer to get clear wort flowing.
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