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Old 06-30-2009, 10:31 PM   #1
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Default Cascadian Dark Ale/ Black IPA - No Carafa!

I'd like to make a Cascadian Dark Ale /Black IPA like the Stone Sublimely Self Righteous or the Black Brutal Bitter, but I can't find any Carafa III Special locally and it's too expensive to ship for me.

Is it possible to use chocolate malt or black patent malt and achieve a similar result? Some folks have mentioned cold-steeping, and I've seen some Black IPA recipes on this board using chocolate malt.


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Old 07-01-2009, 04:52 AM   #2
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Got access to any de-bittered black? I've substituted that for Carafa special before and it was fine. I have also heard of people using chocolate/black patent late in the mash to get color and reduce some of the bitterness.



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Old 09-11-2009, 02:49 PM   #3
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Thanks, Austin!

I ended up just steeping one pound of black patent for 10 minutes at 160 degrees. I got all the color I needed and the beer just tasted like a normal IPA.

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I use carafa III , but its good to know you can use black patent, alex!

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recipes please.. i've been wanting to do one of these since i started..

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Old 09-14-2009, 07:25 PM   #6
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recipes please.. i've been wanting to do one of these since i started..
I don't have my exact recipe in front of me, but I basically just threw something together to try it out, and it turned out better than I expected:

5.5 lbs Ultralight Liquid Malt Extract
2 lbs Crystal Malt 60 - Steeped 30 min at 160 degrees
1 lb Black Patent Malt - Steeped 10 min at 160 degrees

1 oz Columbus Hop Pellets at 60 min
1 oz Bravo Whole Hops at 60 min
1 oz Cascade Whole Hops at 15 min
.5 oz Simcoe Whole Hops at 15 min
.5 Amarillo Whole Hops at 15 min
1 oz Cascade Whole Hops at 1 min
1 teaspon Irish Moss

1 oz Cascade Dry Hops in Secondary

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Old 03-03-2010, 08:13 PM   #7
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Thanks, Austin!

I ended up just steeping one pound of black patent for 10 minutes at 160 degrees. I got all the color I needed and the beer just tasted like a normal IPA.
So you didn't get any of the darker malt characteristics that you would see in a Stone Sublimely Self Righteous or Widmer W'10 Black IPA?

I only ask because I am not brewing this just to add a dark color to a normal IPA.
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recipes please.. i've been wanting to do one of these since i started..
this is my all late hopped black ipa. it is awesome. if you don't want to do all late hops you can do an ounce or two of columbus for bittering. this recipe is for a 12 gallon batch

OG 1.065

24# Two Row
2# Munich
2# Crystal 15L
1# Crystal 40L
2# Carafa II (de husked)

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This gave me 42 IBUs Rager in Beer Calculus

Boil 20 mins 2.0oz Amarillo pellet 7.5%
Boil 20 mins 1.0oz Columbus pellet 14.0%
Boil 10 mins 2.0oz Amarillo pellet 7.5%
Boil 10 mins 1.0oz Columbus pellet 14.4%
Boil 1 min 2.0oz Amarillo pellet 7.5%
Boil 1 min 1.0oz Columbus pellet 14.0%
Dry 7 days 2.0oz Amarillo pellet 7.5%

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Well here is mine. I have brewed this 6 times and have a hard time keeping in on tap. I tried 5 different versions before I settled on this one and I love it. I have yet to find one of my friends or family who dosen't like this brew.

Size: 5.5 gal
Efficiency: 75.0% - Attenuation: 75.0%

Original Gravity: 1.073 (1.056 - 1.075) - Terminal Gravity: 1.018 (1.010 - 1.018)
Color: 19.35 - Alcohol: 7.24% - Bitterness: 103.6

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13 lb American 2-row
8.0 oz Caramel Malt 20L
8.0 oz Brown Malt
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.5 oz Columbus (15.0%) - added during boil, boiled 30 min
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1 oz East Kent Goldings (5.0%) - added during boil, boiled 10 min
1 oz East Kent Goldings (5.0%) - added during boil, boiled 1 min
1.0 ea Fermentis US-05 Safale US-05
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