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discooby 07-18-2011 03:55 AM

Burner: Bayou SP10, KAB4, or KAB6???
 
Help! I want to increase my AG production from 5 to 10 gal/batch and need to upgrade my burner. First, yes, lots of posts here about burners but none I could find that fits me as Iím using a kettle, not a keggle, and I want to make 10gal, not 5gal.

Iím using a 20Ē diameter, 15 gal stock-pot; I want to bring to boil, quickly 12+ gallons; I would like to conserve LP as much as possible but am willing to blow through a 20lb tank if it gets it done quickly. I usually use a 20lb LP tank brewing two 5gal batches (maybe enough left over to grill for 1 hr).

Iím stuck between the bayou SP10 (amazon $50), KAB4 (+$30 more) and KAB6 (+$50 more). Iíve read anywhere from 20 min boil times to 1+ hour boil times w/the SP10. Iíve also read 20min to 1+ hour boil times with the KABís. Iíve read the KABís blow through propane and have bad wind protection. I know the SP10 is 20 psi while the KABís use 30psi.

Can a SP10 bring 12+ gallons to boil, say at ambient air temps of 75 degrees, wort temps of 150 degrees, to boil within an hour? What about air temps of 50 degrees? Any thoughts? If the sp10 can do the job then itís cheaper and more efficient than the KABís; but then again, maybe a KAB4 can kick but and boil in half the timeÖ???

oregonparamedic 07-18-2011 06:35 AM

There's not a whole lot of difference between using a kettle vs a keggle for your boil. I like the SP10 burner personally but I have them mounted to a stand. Read through the other reviews and see what works best for your needs.

discooby 07-18-2011 07:23 AM

I know most keggles have a round bottle; my kettle is flat w/2 layers of SS sandwiched around a thick layer of Al on the bottom. Are you boiling 12+ gallons with your SP10? Whats the avg boil time? What ambient temp? Thanks :mug:

oregonparamedic 07-18-2011 07:30 AM

Yup. Up to boil in usually 45 min at 60f ish outside. I tend to start the boil with 3 gallons or so sparged and level off the heat once I've finished drawing off of the MLT as the full jet is not needed to maintain the boil.

bh10 07-18-2011 03:39 PM

Id go with option D- SQ14, cheap as the SP10, but more powerful, better on propane consumption and will hold a full keggle with no problem. At least in my case, never tried the KA series though.

Gameface 07-18-2011 06:56 PM

I've been using an SP10 with a 15g aluminium kettle for 10g batches that start with 12.5g of wort. I live in Salt Lake and I used this set-up during winter AT NIGHT, maybe 20f outside, and was getting to a boil in 30-45min. Boiling at my altitude happens at 209f, so maybe that makes a difference?

discooby 07-19-2011 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bh10 (Post 3095498)
Id go with option D- SQ14, cheap as the SP10, but more powerful, better on propane consumption and will hold a full keggle with no problem. At least in my case, never tried the KA series though.

More powerful than the sp10? I believe the sq14 is 10 psi while the sp10 is 20psiÖ I read that the psi along with burner size dictates the btuís. I couldnít find any info on the btuís produced with the sq14; sp10 is rated at something like 185,000. The kab4 is something like 210,000. The sq14 looks like it has a bigger burner though.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Gameface (Post 3096077)
I've been using an SP10 with a 15g aluminium kettle for 10g batches that start with 12.5g of wort. I live in Salt Lake and I used this set-up during winter AT NIGHT, maybe 20f outside, and was getting to a boil in 30-45min. Boiling at my altitude happens at 209f, so maybe that makes a difference?

I jumped the gun and purchased the kab4 on amazon. Itís strange how some sp10 users take 40-60 min to boil 6.5 gal while others can boil 12.5g in 30+. Maybe the pots being used since aluminum is more conductive than SS..
:mug:

Gameface 07-19-2011 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by discooby (Post 3097925)
I jumped the gun and purchased the kab4 on amazon. Itís strange how some sp10 users take 40-60 min to boil 6.5 gal while others can boil 12.5g in 30+. Maybe the pots being used since aluminum is more conductive than SS..
:mug:

Well I've just added a KB4 and I'm going to brew today. The SQ10 will be on the HLT and to KB4 on the boil kettle, so I'll give my impressions.

A small disclaimer, though. I never timed how long it took me to get to a boil. When I had the single burner I would heat the HLT, transfer to the MT then drain into the BK which was sitting on the ground. Then I'd transfer the sparge water (batch sparge) to the MT and when I was finished with the HLT I'd put the BK on the burner and start heating it before I collected all the runnings. So, I wasn't starting with cold water. I never felt like the burner wasn't doing its job and don't remember waiting an hour or more for the boil to start, but maybe I was busy enough and was RDWHAHBing enough that I just didn't really notice.

Gameface 07-20-2011 01:53 PM

Well, the KB4 puts out MUCH more heat than the SP10. You already knew that, but after comparing the two side-by-side I'll tell you, the difference is huge. The KB4 was putting out almost too much heat. I had to turn it almost all the way down and still got a very strong boil.

Dean Palmer 07-20-2011 06:59 PM

I own a SQ-14, KAB4, KAB5, and KAB6.

The KAB6 has been my favorite, and I use large kettles and also keg kettles, and use them for cooking as well as brewing. The KAB6 has a larger heat output than any of the other KAB models. I think that is only due to the air vent, regulator, and possibly orifice differences, but it is the best. While being the hottest, it can also be turned down to a tiny simmer like the other banjo burners. My only modification had to be to add a wind shield from scrap tin as the pot is located much higher above the burners than the others.

The frame of the KAB6 holds keg kettles best, where the others have the rim on the edge and not really safe without modifications. For regular pots that is not an issue with any of them. The KAB6 holds really big wide pots perfectly.

The other KAB banjo models work great too, so you can't really go wrong for brewing.


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