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Old 11-14-2009, 01:35 AM   #1
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OK, I could use some help figuring this out. Currently, I do partial mashes with partial boils. I have done mostly 5 gallon batches, but have begun doing more and more 3 gallon batches, which seems to suit me well. I like the ability to use a higher percentage of grain.

I know that the inability to brew with a full boil limits any venture into AG, but I'm thinking I could get away with it for 3 gallon batches and a mash with no sparge. I figure I can get my 2.5 gallons of first runnings to the proper OG without extract and then top off to 3 gallons in the fermenter like I would normally.

However, I really don't know how to start figuring it all out. When I do partial mashes, I use about 1.3 qts/lb for the mash. At this ratio, I could mash something like 6-7 pounds of grain and get 2.5 gallons of first runnings (after accounting for loss to grain absorption).

But the more I think about it, the more I realize that I have no idea how to dial this in. How do I estimate a gravity with no sparge? How do I hit a 1.060 vs a 1.040? Do I adjust the water:grain ratio? Is doing something like this possible or advisable? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.



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Old 11-14-2009, 06:21 AM   #2
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First thing you need to figure out is your mash efficiency when doing no sparging.
Only then can you do the Math.

Do you use software?

It's jut a case of using enough grain.

I personally would look at doing 2 beers from the one mash. A big beer from the first runnings and then a session beer from the second runnings.

That would make it more economical.



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First thing you need to figure out is your mash efficiency when doing no sparging.
Only then can you do the Math.

Do you use software?
I use BeerSmith. What is a starting guestimate for no sparge efficiency?
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i would guess 60 percent... then go from there

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I just read through Palmer's no-sparge calculations in HTB. I made up a spreadsheet and think I have a handle on how this will work.

I'm hoping this will allow me to brew better beer by limiting my reliance on extract. The bigger reason though is that I really want a DIY project to convert a cooler into a mash tun!

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I just did my first AG. It was a 3.5 gallon batch. I had 9.4 lbs of grain and mashed with about 3 gallons. Then sparged with about 3 and 1/3 gallons. I got about 4.3 gallons in my 5 gallon kettle. I was able to avoid a boil over with the help of FermCapS. I ended up with 69% eff due to LBHS crush.

Maybe consider doing a single sparge and increasing your boil volume a little bit, but use FermCapS to avoid the dreaded boil over.



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