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Old 07-03-2009, 11:41 AM   #31
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For me, I went all-grain for the control. With all-grain, you have control over the entire process. The rewards of brewing a great all-grain are great because its your thing. With extract, someone else has done most of the work.
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My switch to AG was to cure a "off" house flavor I had with almost all of my brews. I was a 10 year extract/steeping guy amd recent mini-mash. The cure for my off taste was full boils. I have an electric stove so I could only get about 2 1/2 gallons boiling. Mini-mash opened my eyes to how easy mashing your own grains really is, and the requirement for full boil just sealed the deal to switch to AG. Cost me about $100 to get up and running with my home made AG setup. I have almost recouped that cost after 5 batches.

Yes, price per batch is significant, and it does require more time than extract - not really more complicated, just more time and a bit more effort. However - the big bonus was the beer (after all - this is why we do this right?). My first AG was a Kolsch and it was AWESOME! No off taste and much cleaner. Seriously, I would buy that beer.

That is why I an AG now and sold on the process. If you still want to stay extract - that is great - but I recommend full boils. Your beer will benefit from this.
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My switch to AG was to cure a "off" house flavor I had with almost all of my brews. I was a 10 year extract/steeping guy amd recent mini-mash. The cure for my off taste was full boils. I have an electric stove so I could only get about 2 1/2 gallons boiling. Mini-mash opened my eyes to how easy mashing your own grains really is, and the requirement for full boil just sealed the deal to switch to AG. Cost me about $100 to get up and running with my home made AG setup. I have almost recouped that cost after 5 batches.

Yes, price per batch is significant, and it does require more time than extract - not really more complicated, just more time and a bit more effort. However - the big bonus was the beer (after all - this is why we do this right?). My first AG was a Kolsch and it was AWESOME! No off taste and much cleaner. Seriously, I would buy that beer.

That is why I an AG now and sold on the process. If you still want to stay extract - that is great - but I recommend full boils. Your beer will benefit from this.
+1 I had the same experience. I did full boil extract brew over a year ago and it turned out very nice. It did not have that "extract twang" to it. I also used RO water for the extract part.
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... but really it just comes down to brewing extracts/partials until I build my rig.
Don't for a minute let all the beautiful pictures of brew rigs sway you to think you need a rig to do all grain. You can all grain brew W/ a large boil kettle, a cooler tun, and a bucket to catch the first runnings. A two or four quart plastic pitcher will move your sparge water quite easily in under a minute.

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Don't for a minute let all the beautiful pictures of brew rigs sway you to think you need a rig to do all grain. You can all grain brew W/ a large boil kettle, a cooler tun, and a bucket to catch the first runnings. A two or four quart plastic pitcher will move your sparge water quite easily in under a minute.

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+1 on that. I wasted 2 or 3 months not going AG because I thought I needed fancy gear.
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+1 on that. I wasted 2 or 3 months not going AG because I thought I needed fancy gear.
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Toilet braid-$5
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Total:$55 or $40 if you have a cooler

I did end up buying a grain mill to take advantage of bulk grain pricing but it isn't absolutely necessary.

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Don't for a minute let all the beautiful pictures of brew rigs sway you to think you need a rig to do all grain. You can all grain brew W/ a large boil kettle, a cooler tun, and a bucket to catch the first runnings. A two or four quart plastic pitcher will move your sparge water quite easily in under a minute.

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All-grain brewing is, as the kids today say, da shizzle.

I've got a nice wet blanket here to throw on the enthusiasm, however.

Before you go dropping coin and effort on an AG setup - regardless how Frankenstein - take a look at your fermentation. If you're going to spend money, time and effort, spend it on fermentation first. What goes in to your beer means nothing if you just dump in some yeast and stick the fermenter in a corner.* Yeast are your only living ally in the brewing process. Your actions in managing them influence their performance.

If you don't have the means of growing your own yeast starters, get it. Controlling the health and amount of yeast pitched is crucial.

If you don't have the equipment to control your ferment temperature, get it. There are lots of methods, from wet t-shirts to digitally-controlled freezers.

Your beers will improve dramatically if you learn about managing fermentation and implement solid procedures. Once you get that under control, go ahead and learn about mashing.

That's what I'd do - hell, that's what I did. You'll thank me for it.

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com'on, you know you want to....don't you love peer pressure??
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Several Advantages I can think of.

1. Its much less expensive

2. Grain is generally but not always fresher than Extract

3. Much more flexibility with ingredients and recipes

4. Most importantly, and maybe this is my personal preference but I think a lot of people will probably agree, All Grain is just a lot more fun and satisfying

Its like the difference between cooking a great meal from scratch with fresh ingredients and opening a box of hamburger helper
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