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Old 08-27-2012, 12:16 AM   #1
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Default Adding heat to a BIAB mash

It is possible to burn/scorch a BIAB bag when adding heat to your mash kettle.

When adding heat (lets say a a few degrees, up to 15 degrees for mash out) how do you prevent your bag from being damaged?

I can think of two methods:

1) raise the bag a little, and stir occasionally

2) use a cake rack or some kind of false bottom to keep the bag off the bottom.
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Any other way to add heat, and protect your bag? I suppose you can try leaving the bag in and stir constantly - since it's just for a short time.

Any other ideas?

Ideally, it would be nice to be able to add heat without having to raise the bag.

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I put a metal strainer at the bottom and tie it with some fishing line to pull it out before the boil. Works great.

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Old 08-27-2012, 01:02 AM   #3
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I put a metal strainer at the bottom and tie it with some fishing line to pull it out before the boil. Works great.
Tony,
Might you have a link to the strainer you used?

Fishing line wont be affected by the heat?
What about a boil?
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I have not bothered w/ a mash out since reading this...

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/biab-why-mashout-309533/

or possibly good reading here as well...

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/pros-cons-mashout-fact-fiction-310668/index2.html

I'm not convinced the mash out is really needed or all that helpful for BIAB...Your mileage and opinions may vary...cheers.

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Tony,
Might you have a link to the strainer you used?

Fishing line wont be affected by the heat?
What about a boil?
Sorry, no link. Just your standard veggie steamer found at a kitchen store. I will try to find one for u a little later.
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I use one of these in my 5 gallon kettle. Works great, and my wife didn't mind me buying it because we use it for food also... http://amzn.com/B000Q4N2LO

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I use one of these in my 5 gallon kettle. Works great, and my wife didn't mind me buying it because we use it for food also... http://amzn.com/B000Q4N2LO
That's exactly what I use
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I have not bothered w/ a mash out since reading this...

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/biab-why-mashout-309533/

or possibly good reading here as well...

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/pros-cons-mashout-fact-fiction-310668/index2.html

I'm not convinced the mash out is really needed or all that helpful for BIAB...Your mileage and opinions may vary...cheers.

Some interesting stuff here, thank you for the links.

For large grain bills - I think that once I squeeze the bag, if I were to put the bag back into a pot with hot water, let it sit a few minutes, and pull it out, let it drain, and the squeeze, I would get a fair amount of extra sugar in the wort.
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For large grain bills - I think that once I squeeze the bag, if I were to put the bag back into a pot with hot water, let it sit a few minutes, and pull it out, let it drain, and the squeeze, I would get a fair amount of extra sugar in the wort.
Yes! With larger bigger beers of higher gravity the runnings absorbed by the grain will also be higher gravity, and a sparge of some sort will likely help.

Back to the original topic of adding heat w/ the bag in the kettle...I have read of people doing it without issue, and aslo people scorching the bag...my guess is that w/ low and gentle heating and occasional stirring there likely would not be an issue...just a guess of course, I've never tried it. I think polyester melts at like 3-400 degrees FWIW???
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>.Back to the original topic of adding heat w/ the bag in the kettle...I have read of people doing it without issue, and aslo people scorching the bag...my guess is that w/ low and gentle heating and occasional stirring there likely would not be an issue...just a guess of course, I've never tried it. I think polyester melts at like 3-400 degrees FWIW???

I have this really cool Wilser bag and don't want to risk damaging it!

I wonder if instead of sparging, I try raising the bag, draining, squeezing, then lowering the bag so it reabsorbs wort, then raising, draining, squeezing again.
I might try this and take measurements using a refractometer.
How many additional points does a 2nd drain/squeeze (using wort vs water) give?
I think I will start keeping a log - just out of curiosity.
Probably not worth the effort, but at least I will have measurements to back it up.

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