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Old 01-04-2012, 05:31 AM   #1
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Default 1st all grain recipe help/suggestions?

Brewing my first all grain batch, 10 gallon cooler mash tun and sparge vessel with 10 gallon pot. I know I need to adjust a bit in beersmith for total volume and such, but looking for a little critique on the amounts and balance of malts and hops...

Big Bad Brown
American Brown Ale
Type: All Grain Date: 1/3/2012
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal Brewer: Oposition Brewing Co.
Boil Size: 6.52 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: Pot and Cooler ( 5 Gal/19 L) - All Grain
End of Boil Volume 5.98 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 4.60 gal Est Mash Efficiency 82.8 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 30.0
Taste Notes:
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Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
9 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 80.0 %
8.0 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 2 4.4 %
8.0 oz Chocolate Wheat Malt (400.0 SRM) Grain 3 4.4 %
8.0 oz Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 4 4.4 %
4.0 oz Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 5 2.2 %
4.0 oz Special Roast (Briess) (50.0 SRM) Grain 6 2.2 %
4.0 oz Victory Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 7 2.2 %
1.00 oz Willamette [5.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 8 18.1 IBUs
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 9 13.9 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 10 5.5 IBUs
1.0 pkg California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35.49 ml] Yeast 11 -

Thanks in advance, be gentle, this is the first recipe I have created from scratch! Yooper/Remy please chime in, lol!

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Old 01-04-2012, 08:25 PM   #2
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To me that looks like it'll turn out pretty dark with the chocolate malts and roasted barley. You might want to consider omitting one or decreasing it some. You sure do have a crazy variety in your grain bill, so I'd suggest simplifying it some so you know what to do next time. Wheat, rye, special, chocolate, roasted, victory... that probably isn't a bad combination, but you won't learn what tastes like what.You might have a bit too much hops going on, maybe decrease your 30 minute addition. I use willamette for my porters and they taste great!

Disclaimer: I'm very new to brewing myself.

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Also, I'm making a brown in a couple weeks with toasted oats, brown malt, biscuit, and maris otter for a base. I have high hopes for this brew!

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Resist the beginner's urge to use every grain on the HBS shelf and simplify the recipe. I also agree with the poster above that it's going to be too dark for a brown ale. With the chocolate and roasted malts @ 11% this beer will be close to the color of Guinness. Not that that's bad but it isn't a brown ale. Pick a chocolate malt and use a half pound. Get rid of the rye malt, the roasted barley and pick either Victory malt or Special Roast. Replace the deleted grains with additional pale malt.
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Thanks all, i have the recipe in beersmith, and it falls in the guidelines for an American brown ale, but this is the exact thing I am looking for! I want to leave the Rye in, for a little spice, but I will defiantly adjust based on these comments. I was curious about the hops, thought I might be a little high. I will post the adjusted recipe tomorrow, thanks again!

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Big Bad Brown
American Brown Ale
Type: All Grain Date: 1/3/2012
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal Brewer: Oposition Brewing Co.
Boil Size: 6.52 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: Pot and Cooler ( 5 Gal/19 L) - All Grain
End of Boil Volume 5.98 gal Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 4.60 gal Est Mash Efficiency 82.8 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 30.0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients


Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
9 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 81.8 %
8.0 oz Chocolate Wheat Malt (400.0 SRM) Grain 2 4.5 %
8.0 oz Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 3 4.5 %
8.0 oz Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 4 4.5 %
8.0 oz Victory Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 5 4.5 %
1.00 oz Willamette [5.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 18.2 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 7 7.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 8 5.5 IBUs
1.0 pkg California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35.49 ml] Yeast 9 -

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.056 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.046 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.010 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.0 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 4.7 %
Bitterness: 30.8 IBUs Calories: 151.6 kcal/12oz
Est Color: 26.6 SRM


How about now?

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Thanks all, i have the recipe in beersmith, and it falls in the guidelines for an American brown ale, but this is the exact thing I am looking for! I want to leave the Rye in, for a little spice, but I will defiantly adjust based on these comments. I was curious about the hops, thought I might be a little high. I will post the adjusted recipe tomorrow, thanks again!
If you want to use rye malt then use a couple of pounds. The eight ounces won't do a hell of a lot.
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If you want to use rye malt then use a couple of pounds. The eight ounces won't do a hell of a lot.
+1 to that, IMO that is kind of a waste need a pound or two for any noticeable effect...
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Another suggestion is to adjust the default efficiency on Beersmith. I think it sets it at 72% total efficiency, and most people don't get that high on their first AG batch (although it is always possible of course).

If you leave it at 72% and get, say, 60%, which is not uncommon, you will end up with a pretty low OG. You can always boil your wort down to get where you need it, but it can be hard to estimate and take forever. I think you are probably better off setting it closer to 60 or 65% and adjusting your grain bill to get your OG to where you want it, if you happen to get much better efficiency it is always easier to dilute a bit if necessary, the worst thing that happens is you have to throw a little out and you waste a pound or so of grain.

Oh, and I tend to agree with what the others said about simplicity, but no reason you can't try whatever you want to!

Good luck!

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