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duckmanco 03-24-2011 03:42 PM

Someone convice me its worth it...
 
I'm probably in the minority here, but someone has to convince me its worth it, and hell, the ol' battle axe is telling me to do it, but I just can't seem to pull the trigger.

I have been told by the warden, that I can build a keezer, more specifically the latest build featured in BYO (black Frigidaire 7cu chest freezer) with 3 perlick taps. I priced this build out at $650 or so completed with this kit, which is 3 taps, kegs, and 3 way manifold:

http://stores.kegconnection.com/Detail.bok?no=195

I don't seem to hate bottling as much as everyone else. I followed revvy's advice from the first batch, bought a vinator bottle rinser and copied his method and I can get it done in an hour maybe an hour and 15, all told.

Kegging: I have been reading about kegging constantly, and it seems like force carbing is a mystery that everyone has to figure out on their own, I can't dispense at different pressures with the above setup without spending zillions on regulators, it also seems like cleaning/sanitizing kegs, beer lines poppets etc. is just as much work as sanitizing bottles ( I clean and rinse mine after each pour). And then to top it off, I saw a thread last week, that someone said "my beer tastes bad when forced carbed".... all this for 650? YIKES

Bottling: cheap, simple, dial in carbing with different priming sugar amounts, age big beers over years, portable. However, bottles are a pain in the ass to store, no question about it, and kegging and kegerators are cool looking and the ultimate homebrew toy.


So... someone help me out here, am I overthinking this? I just don't want to spend that kind of money on something and not be completely thrilled about it. (And I have scoured CL, and havent found much, also I am going with the black freezer because that is all the ball and chain will allow in the house, and its 3 taps min. otherwise its not worth it IMO).

BendBrewer 03-24-2011 03:45 PM

Gosh, that seems like a fairly good deal. Damn you for making me think of what I have spent on mine. I don't like that.

IrregularPulse 03-24-2011 03:46 PM

If you build a keezer, you can still bottle too. Having beer on tap at the house is quite cool though. If you enjoy bottling, then bottle your ass off, but you can keg too if you (swmbo) wants.

Cleaning and sanitizing kegging setups is far quicker than bottling. The beer should taste no different in a bottle or keg. As long as you use a set it and forget it method, carbing and serving is very straight forward.

ihomebrewing 03-24-2011 03:55 PM

I think you may be over thinking the whole CO2 aspect of it.

I usually have 2 beers on tap at once, and use one regulator, split off. The beers are usually similar enough that 12-15 psi works just fine for carbonating and dispensing.

If, perchance I have a belgian which requires more CO2, I will just close the valve on the splitter that goes to the 12psi style beer, and only open it for serving.

Alternatively, I have a separate 5# tank with a cheap regulator that I can dispense with. (That tank is usually used for carbonating beers that are not currently on tap).

As far as off flavours, I can't say, other than that I have not had problems with CO2 tanks.

One advantage I can add, is that you only have to clean and sanitize one big bottle vs. a bunch of little ones.

Cheers!

Homercidal 03-24-2011 03:56 PM

I kegged for the fun of building it and the convenience of pulling a beer on tap. I also do not have a problem with bottling, although to be honest, I can usually keg much quicker. But also to be honest, I don't stress about leaving the beer in the fermenter if I can't get to bottling right away like I used to either.

Keg if you want, but if it's not a big deal, then why not spend some of that money you save on other brewing equipment or some on a few really good beers?

duckmanco 03-24-2011 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ihomebrewing (Post 2768455)
I think you may be over thinking the whole CO2 aspect of it.

I usually have 2 beers on tap at once, and use one regulator, split off. The beers are usually similar enough that 12-15 psi works just fine for carbonating and dispensing.

If, perchance I have a belgian which requires more CO2, I will just close the valve on the splitter that goes to the 12psi style beer, and only open it for serving.

Alternatively, I have a separate 5# tank with a cheap regulator that I can dispense with. (That tank is usually used for carbonating beers that are not currently on tap).

As far as off flavours, I can't say, other than that I have not had problems with CO2 tanks.

One advantage I can add, is that you only have to clean and sanitize one big bottle vs. a bunch of little ones.

Cheers!

Ok, so effectively for a belgian style brew, I would just cut off the co2 to a standard ale at 12 psi, and then just increase the output to the tap with the belgian style ale?

And thanks for the replies everybody, she just yelled at me "just get the kegerator already!!!!" So its on, calling keg connection now.

moosetav 03-24-2011 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckmanco (Post 2768574)
Ok, so effectively for a belgian style brew, I would just cut off the co2 to a standard ale at 12 psi, and then just increase the output to the tap with the belgian style ale?

And thanks for the replies everybody, she just yelled at me "just get the kegerator already!!!!" So its on, calling keg connection now.

Thank God! I was about to drive to VA and hit you over the head with a shovel. When SWMBO speaks, you listen....(as long as she's saying stuff like this:D)

repomanz 03-24-2011 04:51 PM

imagine this. Walk over to your nice looking keezer you built up with your hands. Within it, the beer is the beer you've brewed. All you need is your favorite glass and a downward pull of the lever.

1. you can have as little or as much as you want
2. no yeast (although i sort of miss this)
3. you can always bottle beers you want to age (i just brewed a double bock for this purpose)
4. clean up.. clean up clean up
5. controlled carbonation to your liking either by style guidelines or not
6. less clutter in the kitchen
7. time back to yourself or family
8. racking into a keg.. 2 mins.

BendBrewer 03-24-2011 04:57 PM

Yeah, it helps to make a mess, curse and break a kitchen item every time you bottle.

SWMBO will be demanding a kegerator in no time. I love mine!

repomanz 03-24-2011 05:11 PM

another thing about your possible keezer.. personalization. this thread is epic ...

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/keezer-project-31221/

as you can see, the sky's the limit on what you can accomplish with a keezer build.


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