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**Baron von BeeGee** · 03-29-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

...why ruin a good thread with facts.

Well, I guarantee you for every four people on this board that try this, one will think it works perfectly, one will think it does nothing, one will think it ruined his/her beer, and the fourth will try a decoction next time.

m_f · 03-29-2006, 05:30 PM

why you cant presurize with co2 and use the widget?

if you presurize to 2.2 atm with co2 you'll have overcarbonated beer at the moment you open it! I think that the widget will be loaded indeed but imagin a discharge of air+beer into such a highly carbonated ale!

I came to realize of this when trying the air injection. if you start with a normally carbonated glass of beer (2 vol app.) and you inject air you get a mes.
if you serve, let is sit for a while and inject in the same way as before there is a creamy head, (almost) no mess

now if you prime to carbonate with only 1.3 vol of co2 (I guess that's guiness level) probably you won't get any beer into the gadget.

somewhere I read that bottled guinnes has 1.2-1.3 co2 and just below 1 vol of N2 but I may be wrong.

El Pistolero · 03-29-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron von BeeGee

Well, I guarantee you for every four people on this board that try this, one will think it works perfectly, one will think it does nothing, one will think it ruined his/her beer, and the fourth will try a decoction next time.

I'm nominating that for post of the year!

**Walker** · 03-29-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

I think a rapid buildup of pressure is required to force the fluid into the widget. If that wasn't the case, nitro wouldn't be needed, they could just put the widgets into the bottle and feel them at pressure like normal bottles.

(This is a funny discussion given the PM exchange I had with you, EP.

)

Anyway, I was thinking that Guinness used nitrogen simply because they don't bottle condition, but rather force carbonate prior to bottling. If they force carbonate, then they NEED something added to increase pressure after sealing the bottle since there is no additional CO2 being generated to provide the needed pressure.

-walker

**Walker** · 03-29-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by El Pistolero

I'm nominating that for post of the year!

I'd vote for it, but somebody has to blame something on the use of bleach to sanitize the bottles.

-walker

m_f · 03-29-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Imperial Walker

I'd vote for it, but somebody has to blame something on the use of bleach to sanitize the bottles.

-walker

I'd recomend a more philosofical thread as post of the year, like the old:

is this mashing or just steeping?

**Walker** · 03-29-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by m_f

I'd recomend a more philosofical thread as post of the year, like the old:

is this mashing or just steeping?

You taking a jab at me, punk?

That might have been a good THREAD, but for an individual POST, I think the Baron has secured the trophy.

In fact, you could post that same comment in a thread about any topic at all, and it would be a good laugh.

-walker

El Pistolero · 03-29-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Imperial Walker

YIn fact, you could post that same comment in a thread about any topic at all, and it would be a good laugh.

Yes, it's a true multi-tasking post, which right there puts it way ahead of corn sugar and aluminum pots.

**Baron von BeeGee** · 03-29-2006, 05:50 PM

Well, it's good to know I've been productive in some sense today, because it ain't happenin' here at the ol' salt mine.

waskelton4 · 03-29-2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Imperial Walker

No, that's not what I am saying. I think nitrogen doesn't dissolve very well (can anyone confirm that?)

The nitrogen is there MAINLY to increase pressure in the head-space of the bottle. When this happens, beer will be forced into the widget so that the pressure in the headspace and the pressure inside the widget are equal.

-walker

Yeah.. didn't think that was what you were saying.. i was just thinking that it could be possible..

I have yet to brew a batch and am in the process of collecting bottles so i'll have a place to put it when the time comes

I guess when I brew my first stout i'll come back to this thread...

thanks all..

will
(patiently awating the results of the re-use the widget test..)